One of the bigger stacks at the table, Mid tournament.

blinds 50k/100K ante 12.5K

No significant reads, as we are playing and surfing the web as well. We are 7 handed
Villain 1 has 27BB,
Villain 2 has 16BB
SB has 19BB
Hero has 36BB

Preflop: Hero has Q6o in the BB
Villain 1 raises to 2BB UTG, CO calls, SB calls, Hero calls (facing a miniraise, I will almost call any two here).

Flop: Q86
SB checks, Hero checks, Villain 1 checks, Villain 2 checks

Turn: 5
SB checks, Hero bets 4BB, Villain 1 folds, Villain 2 calls, Sb folds,

River: 9
Hero?

What do you prefer in this spot?

The pot should be around 17bb on the turn, so I’m like a size around 6-7bb. The problem is, you can’t really go bigger because V2 is pretty capped at a straight or a missed draw. He never should have Qx that he checks back the flop with and there aren’t even many worse two pairs combos that are calling pre. I’m bet/folding here.

On the river**, excuse me.

I think I prefer check/call. He can bluff missed clubs, or bet worse 2 pair for value. We aren't getting a lot of calls with worse here.

I'm with 3of3, I don't think we get much value with our bets, so let's try to induce.

Fold pre.
Your hand play terrible multiway even vs 2x open.
Hu i defend.

AS PLAYED

Lead flop is nice as deep.
x/r all in turn or bet bigger.
river very tough , its regarding the opponent, but bet 30% and fold sounds the best option since you have a huge range advantage river and u will not get bluffed.
You can also x/call river if you know that he can turn some qx or 9x combos club into bluff.

Yeah pre is quite bad MW.
I would also donk flop with intention of piling turn vs. CO or SB flop call.
Turn sizing <half pot wth? 70% please.
Riv looks close b/t XF and block/fold, it's difficult bc WTH is CO's range flatting pre off 16bbs. Does it contain A7s? 98s? 87s? QTs?

It probably does contain JTs and 77, although there's probably more missed draws in the range.

c/r flop balancing your c/r combo draw range

In all fairness, H might have been planning to x/r flop, but it was checked around.

That was in response to ppl advocating flop lead ^

tbh lead flop, shove turn is a reasonable line too. We block many hands so it’s likely to check through more often, and decent lead sizing can set up ~psb turn against the shorter stacks

But I still prefer c/r because it’s read as a draw by opponents so often on that texture

x/r and lead flop have both merits with some frequencies in that spot i think.
Also you wanna lead flop sometimes some combo draw and c/r them so balancing to bet flop with strong hands also make sens.

Ok I think Q6o is a call preflop from the BB facing a miniraise with other players. I am surprised that some people would call this from the BB without any other players in. At what point would you call Q6o here facing a miniraise? If there were 2 more callers, still no? If I had Q6s do you call in this spot? I think it's pretty marginal either way.

The more players who flat, the worse Q6o gets. The config of being relatively deep v PFR with 2 short stacks between makes it even more troublesome as when it goes cbet-jam you will have hands you'd be keen to stack v 16bb but PFR remains uncapped.

Each of the three ranges centre around hands which heavily dominate your Q. It could even be the most dominated and/or removed card in the deck if you break down the ranges.

+1, great answer imo.
One thing though, if you have a good range advantage on the river, it implies that you'd bet your straights at 30%. Are we doing that? My worry is that our bluffs and nuts want to size bigger and that this sizing could be pretty face up a bet/fold.

We know that Villain can have the nuts but
1/ his range is also pretty empty of strong hands besides that and
2/ his nuts are such a small % of his range.
Villain has no sets, probably not two pairs and only 10-12 combos of 7 (4 A7s, 3 87s, 3 76s, 3 75s, plus a few combo of 97s and 75s, which are not too likely given pre and post action). When you compare that with all the FDs, pairs, etc...

I would probably want to attack that range with our range all together. I'm not even sure I'd spit into two sizings on the spot. So maybe I wanna bet this at a bigger sizing (50-60%?) with my whole range, merged and let him figure it out with his Qx, 9x, Ax.
I know that we can valueown ourselves but, once again, his range is rather weak on 7s as he is the CO and at this buy-in, I start to worry about balance.

I'd probably also go on the folding side.
I think you are checking pure pot odds but are not comparing how your equity is devaluating with every player entering. Q6o is gonna be one of those hands that do okay-ish in HU but its equity is gonna get slaughtered by every extra player.
Hands like T6s are much more resilient in multi ways.

Another way I see this is that you have an incentive to call HU with Q6o to battle the dead money but that dead money is now 'shared' equity-wise between 4 people, not 2.

Happy to fire up equilab to back up with numbers. I guess it'd be a good exercise as the hand is really borderline.

What do you think?

i think fire up equilab, and tidy up the response
some good ideas but v loose descriptions here

I fold q6, but i would call q6s
q6 ends usually Qxx 6xx flops where you basically end up disaster
Qxx board vs Kq for example...
only flop is 66x is ok for you...
As played. Donk shove vs good players, because nobody bets there with air, vs loose players i would try ch raise ai