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08-22-2009 , 04:04 PM

JDLade

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Full Tilt Poker $21,000 KO Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t30/t60 Blinds - 9 players
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UTG+1: t8015 M = 89.06
UTG+2: t3095 M = 34.39
MP1: t5300 M = 58.89
Hero (MP2): t3425 M = 38.06
CO: t9870 M = 109.67
BTN: t5570 M = 61.89
SB: t2820 M = 31.33
BB: t2835 M = 31.50
UTG: t3330 M = 37

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is MP2 with K

4 folds, Hero raises to t180, 1 fold, BTN calls t180, 2 folds

Flop: (t450) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets t180, Hero calls t180

Turn: (t810) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets t360, Hero calls t360

River: (t1530) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets t780

too passive?

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08-22-2009 , 04:09 PM

norwoodmatt1010

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not passive just bad. as the flop has so many draws you have to put in a big raise.

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08-22-2009 , 04:13 PM

Superhal

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Way too passive. They probably lucked into a way better hand than yours, but you still could lose to a single ace.

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08-22-2009 , 04:14 PM

JDLade

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so bet/get it in on the flop?
c/r?

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08-22-2009 , 04:19 PM

pplatypus

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I would cbet the flop 3/4 to pot size you are probably ahead now but there are a ton of draws out there. I don't like the c/r because I don't think they bet enough here and we really dont want to give a free card on this flop.

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08-22-2009 , 04:19 PM

norwoodmatt1010

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you cant c/r as you have no reason to believe villain will bet. so you just lead out with a nice big bet.

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08-22-2009 , 04:22 PM

Recteur

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prolly wanna get it in this

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08-22-2009 , 04:41 PM

Superhal

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I would say pot control. If they're going to chase queens/top pair to the bitter end, you can't stop them by bet size alone.

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08-22-2009 , 04:46 PM

JDLade

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I want to stop top pair with bet sizing...?

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08-22-2009 , 04:47 PM

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Freewill2112

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Originally Posted by Superhal

I would say pot control. If they're going to chase queens to the bitter end, you can't stop them by bet size alone.

No, but you can get max value out of someone who will not lay down a Q and is drawing to 5 outs.

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08-24-2009 , 08:25 AM

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furo

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why dont you bet that flop? or turn?

river should be c/c to let him either bluff busted draws or to keep the pot small if he has QK/AQ

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08-24-2009 , 10:57 AM

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ssnyc

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Originally Posted by JDLade

4 folds, Hero raises to t180, 1 fold, BTN calls t180, 2 folds

Flop: (t450) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets 300,

FYP

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08-24-2009 , 11:00 AM

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The_Duck

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

FYP

yeah, this. im betting big-ish and getting it in all day if i get raised

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08-24-2009 , 11:00 AM

#14

Foks

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Originally Posted by norwoodmatt1010

you cant c/r as you have no reason to believe villain will bet. so you just lead out with a nice big bet.

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08-24-2009 , 11:01 AM

#15

mizztagoo

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Lead flop
Lead Turn
B\F river

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08-24-2009 , 12:26 PM

#16

BCEagleAce

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1) you must bet that flop... 2/3 pot is nice
2) another barrel on the turn is required

What are you hoping to accomplish by check calling this flop??? It is a very coordinated board that easily hits a BTNs limp calling range. That is not a spot to be "slowplaying" if that is what you thought you were doing.

Far better to win a small pot here then get stacked because you let this guy make QQQxx, straight, 2 pair, etc.

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