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08-01-2015 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Pwallis1
Each "semi-lobby" would have literally thousands of randomers wanting a stake for every tournament. It would be a complete nightmare as you'd probably end up with 1000 players selling 0.5% of themselves and 1% actually playing the tournament.
I guess the guys who are closest to selling out would be at the top and this would incentivize people to buy in themselves for a % rather than try and free roll.
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08-01-2015 , 09:03 AM
Love the idea
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08-01-2015 , 09:56 AM
How would this impact sats ?
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08-01-2015 , 10:28 AM
You have to drink beer more often. Great idea
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08-01-2015 , 10:34 AM
seems a great idea doubt stars will get on board tho without a gun to there head
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08-01-2015 , 12:26 PM
Nice idea but if someone has a small % of themselves, it's going to be easier to dump chips to a friend in the same small field tournament. Easier to cheat when you don't know who you're cheating
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08-01-2015 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BraveJayhawk
Nice idea but if someone has a small % of themselves, it's going to be easier to dump chips to a friend in the same small field tournament. Easier to cheat when you don't know who you're cheating
this. its a good idea on paper but it opens the door to too much nonsense.
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08-01-2015 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by H0RUS
this. its a good idea on paper but it opens the door to too much nonsense.
Doubt its a massive problem. The piece buying will be most popular in bigger buyins (more closely monitored by players for stuff like chip dumping), or large fields where it's gonna be impossible to do any sort of organised chip dump.

Also if someones continually spewing as they only have 10% then punters are not gonna keep buying.

To partially combat that you could just limit it to only allow you to put up 50% or so.

Another thing you could do is allow players to buyin full and tick an 'offer action' box. People looking to buy small pieces can see (colour code) whether the player will be playing regardless, or they need to sell their full % to play.

Can't see cheating being the real issue.

The issue is whether stars wanna do something purely for the players when there's no real chance of a big profit boost.

Im not sure whoever it is that makes these decisions ever thinks about this as a good thing.
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08-01-2015 , 02:22 PM
Does this really benefit the poker economy?
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08-01-2015 , 02:47 PM
people load up $100 to put into the Sunday Million rather than betting on Manchester United to win a game on the weekend. Guys with big excessive bankrolls that they don't particularly use can start putting more people in risk free into small/micro stakes tournaments. You could for example put 50 people in the sunday storm one time, or buy 25% of 250 people etc etc. I think it would help it considerably.
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08-01-2015 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DanteA
Does this really benefit the poker economy?
It doesn't harm it for the sake of short term profits (Amaya)

I think a load of players both recs and regs would love it. It would increase player interest/enjoyment, seems very sustainable and costs stars nothing other than the development. Players who cba grinding 8 hrs can throw their 5 and 10 dollar pieces around or whatever, and get a sweat. They will be more involved than they otherwise would be.

The winnings will likely end up back with stars from the casual buyers anyway.

It may be prohibitively expensive to implement something like this (I doubt it), but stars will never give a clear answer on that, so unless you know someone with specific experience of writing an update of this scale, and is willing to take an educated guess, then it's pure speculation on how difficult/costly it would be.

Still a sweet idea.

Last edited by fivetypes; 08-01-2015 at 03:02 PM.
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08-01-2015 , 03:01 PM
Great idea! Obv there should be maximum /50% ?/ for selling + funds will be debited right when you register in the market.
This should remove freerolling and most of the possible chip dumping.

Also if taxes are such a problem, there's possibility to show how much % you have in the payout lobby, so sharkscope could track this also like bounties for example.

I know players who never miss $55/7,5k, but are scared to try 265ko, which is softer, because of BRM. Also I wouldn't reg 2k wcoop in any way, but I may jump, if it's gonna cost me 1k and I'm that kind of fish you want in these games

Last edited by Erebgil_bg; 08-01-2015 at 03:09 PM.
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08-01-2015 , 03:43 PM
there is also the question of the legality vs gaming commission.

But again, how does that affect sats ?

If Stars need an incentive, i think it would still work with them taking a 0.5% fee.
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08-01-2015 , 04:18 PM
brilliant idea
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08-01-2015 , 08:07 PM
sounds like a good concept, stars wouldn't do this without a incentive though.
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08-01-2015 , 08:19 PM
Good idea. Would like to see it implemented, but can't be really, due to legislations. Most legislated countries lost their right to xfers and this kinda falls in that category.
Between this and stars not giving a flying fk about the game these days, i would say close to impossible.
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08-01-2015 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SwansFC
sounds like a good concept, stars wouldn't do this without a incentive though.
people play tournaments = rake = incentive
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08-02-2015 , 01:22 AM
Wow this is a really great idea!
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08-02-2015 , 05:01 AM
This is a great idea, This month alone i've had 3 people roll on me when they've won.
A lot of people like to buy in the marketplace but when players take your money and run its off putting and gets to the point staking isn't worth the hassle.

Tons of players are out there who want to sell and just having a small marketplace lobby on stars would be the best step where they can actually freeze accounts or pay out backers immediately.

On paper it does seem like a win win for everyone, stars gets rake, we get risk free investments and people get to play more tournaments.
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08-02-2015 , 05:17 AM
Sounds like a great idea, not much to add
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08-02-2015 , 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ignorant0
Most legislated countries lost their right to xfers and this kinda falls in that category.
The process could be closer to regging a tourney than to transfers.
I don't have player transfers anymore, but I can trade $/T$. So that's also an option - trading mtt%/$.
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08-02-2015 , 07:03 AM
Cool idea
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08-02-2015 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
people play tournaments = rake = incentive
People pay also a lot of rake for satellites. No reason for stars to Do this, let alone all that legislation/ taxes stuff making it difficult.
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08-02-2015 , 09:33 AM
For every "good" player who is enabled to play a bigger tourney there will be two "bad" players who just buy a piece of someone rather than playing the tourney themselves...

Plus staking players will be a whole economy within pokerstars , like "hey , why bother to get good at poker yourself which takes a long time when you can just buy a piece of someone who's already put in the work.." . I.e less beginners and bad players in tourneys generally

Yes I realise it's already available and called staking but it's not so accessible for the unknowledgable newcomer to poker . Put it right there in the pokerstars client and make it roll-proof and players will be like "damn I can't win , may as well stake my money on this good player" . Plus I'm sure stars would rather they hit the casino or sportsbetting when they wanted a punt

I can see it working for special events like the wcoop main or the 50k but not as an everyday thing for any old mtt
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08-02-2015 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Frogman3
For every "good" player who is enabled to play a bigger tourney there will be two "bad" players who just buy a piece of someone rather than playing the tourney themselves...

Plus staking players will be a whole economy within pokerstars , like "hey , why bother to get good at poker yourself which takes a long time when you can just buy a piece of someone who's already put in the work.." . I.e less beginners and bad players in tourneys generally

Yes I realise it's already available and called staking but it's not so accessible for the unknowledgable newcomer to poker . Put it right there in the pokerstars client and make it roll-proof and players will be like "damn I can't win , may as well stake my money on this good player" . Plus I'm sure stars would rather they hit the casino or sportsbetting when they wanted a punt

I can see it working for special events like the wcoop main or the 50k but not as an everyday thing for any old mtt
This makes a lot of sense and its not really something all of us think off, to boot. Well written
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