This isn't the right thread for it tbh, so I'll be brief.

My complaint was that Stars raised prices in an underhand manner without alerting the customer base, and that such dishonest behaviour is a potential breach of their licensing obligations. I haven't yet received a response from the UKGC, and my hopes are not high. I did receive a reply from Stars but it was not to my satisfaction, and I have not played a hand on the site since the price increases. Frankly I think anyone who's still playing on Stars at this point is tacitly accepting their cynical and exploitative treatment of the entire customer base and I urge players to quit the site in protest, but I'm aware that very few players are actually going to do this.

/derail

Oh Jesus, I was so mad for the daily 27 that I didn't even noticed what they did at the micros.

I mean, for a single draw poker player this is worse than Black friday, Spin'go and rake increase all toghether. Furthermore, at least those facts had a reason to happen, they were probably unfair but rationals, worth to someone, but this, this looks so unreasonable, it just makes no sense to me.

I disagree that there shouldn't be one single red daily tourney in any variant.. not mentioning weekly.

It's in everybody interest to keep variants alive. People play holdem, but we were all playing just holdem before and then we stopped, and maybe many of us would have just quit poker if there weren't other variants for decent stakes to play.

Who knows what will be in 3 or 4 years, maybe bots will make things much more complicated for holdem players and for P.S. and maybe variants will keep online poker alive for another couple of years..

but ok those are just my thoughts, and here there is enough to get mad just by strictly staying on facts.



The simplest example would be not let the daily the 27sd and 5cd running at the same time.

Those games requires similar skills and bring the same kind of emotions so they would probably be enjoyed by the same players, but it's a disaster playing them at the same time.


You mean he made it all?

So, Luke, I'm sure you are a very good professional for being in the position where you are, but this time, please, freeze things like they were for a few weeks, and maybe consider to pass this task to someone else if you have more important things to think about.


Again, sorry guys for my english.

+1 to old payout structures, the greed of flat payouts is being short sighted, the 1.6x min cashes makes no one want to play poker

i hope the bigs get either longer level times or a bit of a better structure

why did u skip saturday? will we have a surprise?

with the risk of repeating myself, really hope you`ll improve sunday after milli and before wrap-up. we need a couple of blue 100-200s if you dropped 6max and sec chance.

about the structures, i`m sure you`ll do the right thing after a month or two.

FYP

just wow at the new schedule, very exciting for sure

my thoughts after reading some of the comments here (only on NLHE):

- Overall timbey additions are awesome

- Big structures are hopefully a mistake and should definitely be tweaked

- Very subjective, but the 27 psko 6max now being a turbo breaks my heart. Are their some other non-turbo 6max psko's in there? will be taking a closer look at the whole schedule tomorrow but all I know is there is a $55 in there somewhere

- The payouts should really be reversed. I mean, if you really keep them like this I feel like someone from PS should admit it's just to reduce edges

- Zoom tourneys are a nightmare to multitable so many people might skip

- I saw the list of rebuy tourneys blakkman posted, please tell me that there are still cubeds etc? Might just have been a list of regular rebuys tho, if so never mind but I'm reading $8c and $5q and stuff got removed so..

- Great effort on making weekdays more exciting. Bit dissapointed on the sunday 6max and second chance being removed tho. As a midstakes player, those were the 2 timbeys I always imagined adding first when I can afford to play a bit higher. Don't see myself regging the 700psko any time soon. But you do have the monday 6maxes etc.. so that does compensate

Overall, I'm v excited about this. Cba to find my rsa key, log in and look at the full schedule right now but will do that tomorrow so excuse me if I missed some obvious stuff. Really hope the structures are negotiable tho

Hmm, let me recheck.

New:
16:00 $7.50+R
16:00 Big $44
16:15 Hot $33
16:45 Phase 1
16:45 $22 SKO
17:00 Big $8.80
17:10 $33 (although with 6k gtd not interested atm)
17:30 BB $44
17:45 $7.50 PSKO (low buyin, probably skipping)
18:00 $11+R (again with 10k gtd not sure if I'm interested)
18:30 BB $11
18:45 Phase 1
18:50 $55 PSKO (new addition for me and I love it)
19:00 Big $22
19:00 $5.50+R (again, with 8k gtd probably skipping)
19:15 Hot $11
19:45 $22 PSKO
20:30 $33 PSKO
edit: 20:15 $1.10+R Splash could be fine here too

Missing:
16:45 $11 6k (meh gtd, often skipping)
17:00 $27 Turbo KO
17:15 $5q (used to be great, kept dying, sure)
17:30 $13.50 KO
17:30 $8c
18:15 $11c
18:15 $27 Turbo PSKO
19:00 $22 FO
19:15 $11 4k (meh gtd, often skipping)
19:30 The Hot $16.50
20:15 Used to be great $1.10+R 3xT, not anymore post rake changes
20:30 $13.50 KO
21:30 $27 Turbo KO
21:30 $3.30+R 2xT
Plus two $8.80 6-max turbos which were good fillers for lower amount of tables

I'm not sure, I see 3 nice new additions, 4 that will have to prove themselves and I lost 8-14 tournaments depending on POV.

edit: so basically blue same tournaments as before, red new but meh, lime additions I definitely like

Yea I mean it's soooooo obvious that the bigs and bounty builders should go 8-10-12 for level times

turbos seems to have shifted more towards the late evening/night which is pretty gto imho. usually that's when you are wrapping up your session anyway.

Where's the Benjamin ? or the T-rex?

the new sched looks exciting but structures seem like you implemented a bigger gamble%.

agree w/ pads that you have outpriced the regs that wanna make the transition to higher stakes by removing 215SC, s500 and 162 6max.

really like that you made the early euro session a bit more juicy and bigger ABI and also an incentive to reg longer hours whenever we decide to put in a session. it feels like the gaps between early/peak/late sessions are smaller now.

i am sure you gonna tweak the structures based on the feedbacks from this thread.

agree that blue tag for the new tourneys is not thaaat appealing

will there be a schedule revamp on ps.fr too ?

i like the new mtts at high buy in and very happy with all of them (add some more sats for 215$+ buy ins),
- in medium buy in I am really missing those 27$ turbo kno, and as i can see there beeing replaced with a lot of 6max (that are harder to multi table /need more focus)

+1 for making most of the hipers 6max, +1 better structure for bigs (slower/deeper play), zoom mtts in peak time will die fast imo u should put them in 12-16h or 00-02h CET time slot so they wont die imo

overall this are first news to be happy about that stars is making, after choosing to go on road to be as ****y brand as is possible to be out here

p.s. about 700 kno on sunday i bet it will bigger and greater MTT then thrill, about 1k Im not sure how is gons be but i imagine it will be very top regs fest because 1k's on Tuesday/ Thursday were like only major to play on that day so think they are/will be softer then 1k in sunday because i imagine that rec will choose to play 700$ kno over 1k frezout

RIP Sunday 6max and Sunday 2nd Chance.

We all will just have to mourn their loss with the $215 and $109 6max Mondays, or $109/$215/$320 Super Tuesdays and Thursday Thrills, maybe $109 and $215 Fast Fridays, or the better selection on Saturday with the $215 Weekender and $215 Scuffle.

I mean, look at this! Stars has never had this many major tournaments in the $109-$320 price range.



Never been a better time to be on the grind imo.

Hey i have a question!

What do the community of 4 card players do on the weekends nows?

2x82 psko on Sundays?

you cant be serious about removing the 55/82/215 ?

dont you want to make money?? lately you been raising every thing but you remove games for like 350 ppl on Saturdays and Sundays out money no good?

why dont you make it like the holdem ones? a big and a small of every weekly omaha as well Weekly L/M/H plo/plo8/nlo8 i mean common you killed us here rely, im and rest of us regs are thinking of taking the weekends off for sure now...

the 320 are good but why only one 3+r satty? no 11+r ? 3+r should be one between every other satty now that you rake like 500% more on them you remove them ?

the daily schedule needs some shaping up to i think but overall i think it can be good at least the lower stakes.

id rely love to help out with minor adjustments since some of us play all day every day i think you need some help here.

otherwise i like a good face lift!

//Simon

Why didn't they make some regular freeze out on wednesday/ Thurs to mix in wit br/thrill- too many pskos imo .just so u can slap mini and early/late edition on them. Schedule is already littered wit psko
Seems pretty dumb to me.

Bigs were perfect- don't kno why ur messing with them - but whatever at least they're not psko and party have introduced a lot of good stuff

I'm also a recreational player and I agree completely. We just want a big score and want to see big prize pots and big prizes for the top 1-5 players.

I wish the payouts could be 90% to the top 5 on all your tournaments.

This is coming from someone who deposits tens of thousands a year on your site and has never cashed out once!

+1. that is why I do not play bigs. they last forever and payout structure is horrible. never like the idea of having to sit there for 10+ hours and clicking mouse for such a long time. I believe the trend is shorter duration tournament (turbo and hypers) or phase tournament (majors). Daily tournament lasting 8+ hours is a joke.

Everything looks great! Thanks Luke!

Please consider making the smaller field, higher buy-in structures better. There are so many fast options that it'd be nice to have a chance to play for big money with more than 20bbs avg. at the final table.

sick to see the non hold-em games being given so less priority - how would they grow if u kill all the low stakes - that's where everyone's going to start

hopefully there's a review of these changes and more positive changes regarding the non hold-em flow in....

it's a shame that you're basically killing off the PLO8 mtt's, the new structures seem very turboish which i also feel negatively towards. i didn't get a chance to look at payout structures but if they are similar to the ones already incorporated in the bigs/bounty builders at the moment i very much dislike them.


having said all that i will be giving the new schedule a chance before condemning it totally

Removing the late inbetween levels in the 1ks seems a bit dumb considering its your day to day highest buy ins, so should therefore have the best structures, going 3k/6k 4k/8k 5k/10k and skipping all the 2.4 2.8 3.2 3.6 is just really poor structuring imo when these games generally have very big prize pools taking away all the play on final tables just seems unacceptable.
apart from this and the poor structures in the bigs, great changes and exciting times ahead! few tweaks and we've almost forgotten about the horrible rake changes :P

The bigs and bounty builders has a very bad structure now (at least on low and micro stakes). These new blind levels just terrible. Your schedule also looks very bad. Why did you remove a lot of low-micro stakes MTT and replaced them with 2-3 new tournaments with a crazy structure? They are like a turbo now...
I wanna show you my old schedule and my new schedule (with those new MTTs and structures).
I'm starting every day at 20:00 MSK and my last registration is about 01:00 MSK. I used to play MTTs from $2.20 up to $4.40 (micro-stakes) and I played 10 MTTs per session with a total buy-in of $30.25 and the structures was good, but what I have now? As I can see, there is only 5 proper MTTs with a total buy-in of $13.20... (I would add more, but there is only turbos and hypers)

So, here is my old schedule



and my new schedule



Ok, maybe it's only me who don't like this new schedule.

About structure. Bounty Builder $2.20. Let's compare your new and old structures. For example: If you play this tournament 1 hour 52 min (or 112 min) and you still with your starting stack then you have:
5000/400=12.5 big blinds (new structure)
3000/200=15 big blinds (old structure)
or
5000/(60*9+600)=4.38 tourney M (new structure)
3000/(30*9+300)=5.26 tourney M (old structure)
The difference is obvious.


The Big $2.20. Starting stacks:
5000/(4*9+45)=61.72 tourney M (new structure)
3000/30=100 tourney M (old structure)
After 70 min:
5000/(20*9+240)=11.9 tourney M (new structure)
3000/(10*9+150)=12.5 tourney M (old structure)
After 140 min:
5000/(125*9+1500)=1.9 tourney M (new structure)
3000/(60*9+750)=2.32 tourney M (old structure)



You just made it worse...

About regular MTTs. For example your MTT with new structure ($2.20, $3.30 NLHE 9 or 8 max) btw I dunno why did you add that 8 max. 9 max much popular.
Starting stacks:
3000/(4*9+45)=37.03 tourney M (new structure)
3000/30=100 tourney M (old structure)
After 80 min:
3000/(30*9+375)=4.65 tourney M (new structure)
3000/(15*9+180)=9.52 tourney M (old structure)
It's like a turbo now.


So please, bring back the old structure and MTTs. It seems like there is a lot of turbos/hypers and only few regular speed MTTs (with new structures they all are turbo now). I know, there is some new MTTs such as $2.20 Micro Monday 6-max or $2.20 Micro Battle Royale, but it's only 1 tournament per 2 days. Not so much.

A lot of people said that the new structure are terrible and I think that evryone will be happy if you change it back.

Regards,
SG

Is it just an impression or we won't have `Biggers` anymore? No more double gtd on Sundays? Or that will keep as normal?

Besides, I see great new tournaments, they will definitely boost up the fields, etc.

+1 to improve and fix `Bigs` structures, at least with VLT from f2t or FT whatever on.

I feel like firstly we will have to play to have a real idea, but anyway it seems like the things really got fast up structure wise. I hope this is just an impression and playability can be at least decent.

And what is that thing, we will have lots of Bigs with the same buy in accros the day? Seems weird, but I don't really care, as long as they pay well enough.

Cheers, great job overall.

I play only single draw and i don't know about nlhe schedule, but what u've made of sd games is really worse than black friday for me as i shot a sheriff said.
Ok, u don't like that daily doesn't start couple times a week. Though there were a lot of ideas to solve the problem with daily in draw games forum threads you obviously are not interested to listen. And 11$ psko is really nice. But only one 11$ tourn a day instead of 3.3/5.5/7.5 sats and 27 event?? really?
And wtf was wrong with 5.5$ reentry turbos?? They ran perfectly!! 60-80 entrants every tourn, even 2.2$ tourn hasnot much bigger field. But now we have 3*1$ and 2*2$ reentrys?? instead of 3*5$ reentrys and 2$ freezout, which all ran without any troubles!! why????
So, now my buyins for the day are 40-80$ and they will become 20-25$. lol since when ps doesn't need rake anymore??
i just don't get it. it's really horrible. u expect those 1$ tournaments' regs to play next wcoop/scoop? oh wait, we'll just not have those ugly games on next coops, i got it.
yes, sd is not very popular game, but there are a lot of players who plays only this game like me. and we'll not play spins. please don't steal the game from us. there is already enough of a shame for something that supposed to be great POKER site once.