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10-29-2018 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by KingBustYou
Players are free to make a hu deal to reduce variance.
no need to chance the payouts.
They are not, as the KO's is where most money is HU and you can't make a deal with those. Thus by your logic there is a need to change the payouts.

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cool thing about pkos is that 1st prize can be huge compared to rest of payouts.
it does suck if u finish second, but extra nice when u win with lots of bounties won.
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10-30-2018 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by KingBustYou
Players are free to make a hu deal to reduce variance.
no need to chance the payouts.
cool thing about pkos is that 1st prize can be huge compared to rest of payouts.
it does suck if u finish second, but extra nice when u win with lots of bounties won.
in how many pkos did u FT???
how many pkos did u end up in top 2??? how do u feel if u lost a flip villain hit 2-3outs on you and you finished #2 while #1 get 2x money from #2???
how do you feel when you loose flip (or loose from 2-3 outer)with 5-4 players left and money you won finishing 5 or 4/500-1000 is like 4-5x less then #1???

pkos and flat payouts (20% of field) are imo worse thing that happed to online mtt poker.
games are dying while sites are raking byins ~ infinity, for short term increased profits

Last edited by Re8uZ; 10-30-2018 at 12:32 AM. Reason: +1 to make payouts #1=#2 in pkos => i suggest this in this thread when pkos were introduced
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10-30-2018 , 04:15 AM
Yet another crash during offpeak - WP stars, pathetic as usual
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10-30-2018 , 08:01 AM
Will there be a winter series again in December? Thanks
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10-30-2018 , 12:54 PM
Why we dont have for november a HCOOP or hyper poker week/10 days with only hyper tournaments with about 2 tiers micro(1.1-22$) and mid(22-215$) and about 2x60 events with mixed formats as 3 max hyper no zoom,PKO ,bubble rush hyper.All events with 2-4 min levels and and 25-50 min late reg
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10-30-2018 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mimicry
Why we dont have for november a HCOOP or hyper poker week/10 days with only hyper tournaments with about 2 tiers micro(1.1-22$) and mid(22-215$) and about 2x60 events with mixed formats as 3 max hyper no zoom,PKO ,bubble rush hyper.All events with 2-4 min levels and and 25-50 min late reg


i thought the idea to make payouts for first and second in pkos equal couldnt be topped. how wrong i was.
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10-30-2018 , 02:10 PM
how about a multientry week to boost gtds of the tournaments struggling for them and make it permanent afterwards, should be fine for a few months
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10-30-2018 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by daviid
i thought the idea to make payouts for first and second in pkos equal couldnt be topped. how wrong i was.
Sure...but amaya dont care about ur reg opinion and it is well known that recs like fast tournaments and PKOs so ...
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10-30-2018 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mashxx
how about a multientry week to boost gtds of the tournaments struggling for them and make it permanent afterwards, should be fine for a few months
They did this for Biggers but forgot to boost the gtds.
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10-30-2018 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Re8uZ
in how many pkos did u FT???
how many pkos did u end up in top 2??? how do u feel if u lost a flip villain hit 2-3outs on you and you finished #2 while #1 get 2x money from #2???
Like i said, sucks if u come in second. I understand your pov, but I'm ok with it. That's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Re8uZ
how do you feel when you loose flip (or loose from 2-3 outer)with 5-4 players left and money you won finishing 5 or 4/500-1000 is like 4-5x less then #1???
Don't want to be a smart ass but 5th generally gets 1/5 of first prize in a fo.
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10-30-2018 , 11:15 PM
why are we lobbying for more rake trap tournaments where the best regs have <5% ROI? may as well go flip coins outside with your friends that way you don't pay rake.
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10-30-2018 , 11:29 PM
Not sure if you can answer this, but are the games on .ES all being an hour late permanent after the time switch or is just for the week and on the 4th they will go back to their regular time?

ie. The Big 10 was 18:15 ET, but is currently 19:15 ET.

Thanks
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10-31-2018 , 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Mimicry
Why we dont have for november a HCOOP or hyper poker week/10 days with only hyper tournaments with about 2 tiers micro(1.1-22$) and mid(22-215$) and about 2x60 events with mixed formats as 3 max hyper no zoom,PKO ,bubble rush hyper.All events with 2-4 min levels and and 25-50 min late reg
#this

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Originally Posted by daviid
i thought the idea to make payouts for first and second in pkos equal couldnt be topped. how wrong i was.
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Originally Posted by Re8uZ
pkos and flat payouts (20% of field) are imo worse thing that happed to online mtt poker.
Still don't understand how people can dislike PKOs. Probably one of the few good things that happened to online poker overall. I guess it is mostly failing to adapt.

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Originally Posted by Mimicry
Sure...but amaya dont care about ur reg opinion and it is well known that recs like fast tournaments and PKOs so ...
Hyper+PKO <3 that makes me a REC
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10-31-2018 , 08:44 AM
Found some random spreadsheet on my google drive when I tried noting down guarantees over the week to point out big differences between usual fields and gtds, it's from February 2015. I lasted only 2,5 days because it felt pointless very fast.

So back then even with these numbers there were complains about gtds, but it still wasn't that bad overall, amazing how low some of these are now comparatively.

Time (CET) = ET + 6 hours Tournament GTD Monday Tuesday Wednesday
16:30 $8.80+R 15K 17.7K 20.9K
16:30 The Hot $33 35K 37K 37.5K
16:45 $21 SKO 20K 23K 24K
17:00 The Big $8.80 30K 43K 39.9K 44K
17:30 $13.50 KO 10K 14.8K 14.3K
17:30 $8.80+1R-1A 12K 12.3K 18K
18:00 The Big $22 50K 53K 64.5K 62.5K
18:00 $2.20+R 2x-Turbo 12.5K 18.4K 18.4K 17.6K
18:15 $11+1R+1A 12K 14.5K 17.2K
18:15 $27 Turbo PSKO 40K 46.3K 46.4K
18:30 The Hot $11 35K 47.5K 48.1K 46.7K
19:00 $22 FO 12K 14.2K 16.9K 16.3K
19:00 The Big $109 100K 100K 121.1K 103.7K
19:30 The Hot $16.50 50K 58.1K 57.4K 58.3K
20:00 The Big $11 65K 73.1K 73.8K
20:15 $1.10+R 3x-Turbo 50K 54.2K 59.5K 58.1K
20:30 The Hot $75 50K 56K 71.9K
20:30 $13.50 KO 12K 14.8K 15.8K
21:00 The Big $55 90K 90K 99.8K 91.3K
21:30 $27 Turbo KO 30K 34.2K 37K
21:30 $3.30+R 2x-Turbo 20K 24K 24.2K 24.3K
21:30 The Hot $55 50K 58.7K 65.8K
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10-31-2018 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by daviid
i thought the idea to make payouts for first and second in pkos equal couldnt be topped. how wrong i was.
Did you ever actually look at PKO payouts? They suck big time right now, the gap between 1st and 2nd place is way too big. As the winner you get to keep your own bounty as well, a lot of times 1st place is 2x prize money of 2nd place, is that what you want?
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10-31-2018 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DebtsNBooze
Did you ever actually look at PKO payouts? They suck big time right now, the gap between 1st and 2nd place is way too big. As the winner you get to keep your own bounty as well, a lot of times 1st place is 2x prize money of 2nd place, is that what you want?


yes.

do you want DONs?
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10-31-2018 , 11:08 AM
do you want 5k field winner take alls?
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10-31-2018 , 12:48 PM
Just a random example from last night's 11$ BountyBuilder. Imagine getting 2nd out of a 5k field and not even getting half of 1st place cause you lose a flip in HU.

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10-31-2018 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mashxx
Found some random spreadsheet on my google drive when I tried noting down guarantees over the week to point out big differences between usual fields and gtds, it's from February 2015....
What's the point of these types of posts? Do you really think PS is just going to change GTDs back to a time where there were less ringfenced markets, less countries regulating/banning online poker and more grey area markets were allowed?

Everyone gets it, PS run their GTDs low and they're trying to make more money than ever but this stuff just isn't productive. The GTDs are (partially) relative to the current player pool, you'll never be able to change them by posting from your timehop.
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10-31-2018 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mashxx
Found some random spreadsheet on my google drive when I tried noting down guarantees over the week to point out big differences between usual fields and gtds, it's from February 2015. I lasted only 2,5 days because it felt pointless very fast.
Sunday Storm was 250k-275k Gtd last year's winter. Now it's 200k
I don't think many countries restricted/banned poker since then.
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10-31-2018 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DebtsNBooze
Just a random example from last night's 11$ BountyBuilder. Imagine getting 2nd out of a 5k field and not even getting half of 1st place cause you lose a flip in HU.

I'd put it this way - 12% for first (which is still worse than it used to be) and 6% for 2nd (which is atrocious).
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10-31-2018 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by satellite84
Not sure if you can answer this, but are the games on .ES all being an hour late permanent after the time switch or is just for the week and on the 4th they will go back to their regular time?

ie. The Big 10 was 18:15 ET, but is currently 19:15 ET.

Thanks
US and Canada daylight saving ends this sunday. You have your answer
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10-31-2018 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle
US and Canada daylight saving ends this sunday. You have your answer
Oh, I thought we did that on the 28th this year. Shrug, guess I got my dates wrong. OK. Cool.
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10-31-2018 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DebtsNBooze
Just a random example from last night's 11$ BountyBuilder. Imagine getting 2nd out of a 5k field and not even getting half of 1st place cause you lose a flip in HU.

Feel free to pay less places and move that money to the upper end. Making 1st place smaller to bring it closer to 2nd would be the worst possible result
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10-31-2018 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by _red_dog
Feel free to pay less places and move that money to the upper end. Making 1st place smaller to bring it closer to 2nd would be the worst possible result
We all want less paid places in FO and bb also but this not gonna happen i think ....
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