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06-23-2016 , 10:15 AM
2013, when we had amazing levels like 100/200 no ante, when we played poker for two hours before antes started, when we suffered through massive jumps from BB400 to BB600, when the money bubble was a huge crunch because the blinds moved from BB400 to BB1000 in 30 minutes .

The stuff we all love from years back - Big fields, lots of recs - wouldn't exist if we magically had the same tournaments we once had. We really need to not look at stuff with such rose coloured glasses. We can't keep sitting here wishing the state of poker was stronger than it actually is. We gotta figure out how to get the best out of the player pool we have today in 2016.

I know too many of you don't care and will dismiss what I just wrote, so I'll take my leave for now. Hopefully positivity returns when the payouts finally get fixed.
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06-23-2016 , 10:23 AM
Anyone else noticed the exchange rate moneygrabbing and the 'reasoning' behind this.

Today 1 euro is 1,09 dollar and 1 dollar is 0,84 euro.

I want to withdraw 750 dollar worth almost 660 euro in the lobby, but when I want to exchange it to euros it is worth 633 euro.
Taking almost 40 euros per 1000 dollar from the exchanging players. Is this the amaya endboss?
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06-23-2016 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Thegamewillendsoon
Anyone else noticed the exchange rate moneygrabbing and the 'reasoning' behind this.

Today 1 euro is 1,09 dollar and 1 dollar is 0,84 euro.

I want to withdraw 750 dollar worth almost 660 euro in the lobby, but when I want to exchange it to euros it is worth 633 euro.
Taking almost 40 euros per 1000 dollar from the exchanging players. Is this the amaya endboss?
Yeh I got this when I logged in

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06-23-2016 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
2013, when we had amazing levels like 100/200 no ante, when we played poker for two hours before antes started, when we suffered through massive jumps from BB400 to BB600, when the money bubble was a huge crunch because the blinds moved from BB400 to BB1000 in 30 minutes .

The stuff we all love from years back - Big fields, lots of recs - wouldn't exist if we magically had the same tournaments we once had. We really need to not look at stuff with such rose coloured glasses. We can't keep sitting here wishing the state of poker was stronger than it actually is. We gotta figure out how to get the best out of the player pool we have today in 2016.

I know too many of you don't care and will dismiss what I just wrote, so I'll take my leave for now. Hopefully positivity returns when the payouts finally get fixed.
You know what has changed since 2013? Amaya bought PS, and introduced unbeatable games, and that's it. Recreationals just got fooled into playing spins, and even MTT regs went to mostly play on other sites, hence why MTT's are slowly (more like quickly) dieing now, too.
There are not much less recs than in 2013, in general...
Your posts have also turned into blatantly obvious chilling by now.
How much is it, that Amaya is paying you to sell-out yourself on here?
(rhetoric question, since you are definintely not allowed to tell us)

Been contemplating to add helpful tips how to improve the Mixed-MTT's, but lose my motivation for that quickly, when looking at your and broken_jia's latest posts.
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06-23-2016 , 10:37 AM
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Yeh I got this when I logged in

Yeah, but seems like a very dodgy move. Are they going to give back the money afterwards to players who exchanged money? I feel like my roll is held hostage
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06-23-2016 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Contemplater
Been contemplating to add helpful tips how to improve the Mixed-MTT's, but lose my motivation for that quickly, when looking at your and broken_jia's latest posts.
Hi TooRareToDie
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06-23-2016 , 11:28 AM
Be careful you will receive threatening pm's from him
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06-23-2016 , 11:37 AM
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Be careful you will receive threatening pm's from him
I once did receive his PM full of ******
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06-23-2016 , 11:49 AM
You can all be happy that I take my meds now, I tell ya.
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06-23-2016 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
You make a good argument that they need more levels and more time as they get deep. If the other guy had written this I'd have quoted and agreed with him.

How should the structure change to prevent this? What levels are worth adding or when should the time per blind increase?
I really think this is Stars' responsibility to fix. Since the feedback is provided and a problem's existence is made clear by the customers, it's down to the company to fix it. I don't have the tools or data(kek) available to know if the ideas I have in mind would bring the desired outcome. Stars does.

But my main issue is that the structure problem was noted before the "new" tournaments even started running. How could these structures or more importantly the ones before the recent fix (so the first "new" version) even make it past internal testing? There was either no time devoted to the testing or Luke/whoever responsible has absolutely no idea about MTTs. I don't know which one it is and it doesn't make a difference.

There is not a single fix or suggestion that will make everything better. The personnel simply needs new additions or to be completely replaced by a more capable one.
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06-23-2016 , 12:06 PM
why is the rake for $25 Hyper Knockout 18 player SNGs so high....relative to other formats?

Eg.Tourney 1601373433 is a 18 player, super-ko, hyper turbo sng with a buy in of $11.58+$11.58+$1.84.

while tourney 1600746779 is a $30 45 player progressive super ko, hyper sng is $14.30+$14.30+$1.40?
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06-23-2016 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by inheritance79
why is the rake for $25 Hyper Knockout 18 player SNGs so high....relative to other formats?

Eg.Tourney 1601373433 is a 18 player, super-ko, hyper turbo sng with a buy in of $11.58+$11.58+$1.84.

while tourney 1600746779 is a $30 45 player progressive super ko, hyper sng is $14.30+$14.30+$1.40?
Not to mention the 25$ only gets 500 chips with 2 minute levels. Major facepalm here. Even the 30$ has quite ridiculous rake for a 3 minute tournament. Also, the 1st and 2nd in the SKO are the same, where in the progressive they are not. That seems backwards.

Shame really, they look like great fun and might've gotten me out of my stars-hiatus if they were somewhat reasonably raked.
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06-23-2016 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by inheritance79
why is the rake for $25 Hyper Knockout 18 player SNGs so high....relative to other formats?

Eg.Tourney 1601373433 is a 18 player, super-ko, hyper turbo sng with a buy in of $11.58+$11.58+$1.84.

while tourney 1600746779 is a $30 45 player progressive super ko, hyper sng is $14.30+$14.30+$1.40?
Because Stars want all the recreational players to lose their money to rake rather than to winning players. No winning players are going to play 500-chip KO hypers with 8% rake (14% at the micros!), and Stars are fine with that. All they need to do is focus promos on the unbeatably-raked games that nobody with a brain will play; it's a smart way of segregating the player pool.
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06-23-2016 , 01:34 PM
luke can u add 82 tickets to the coin shop? Now I have to convert my coins to euros before I can buy the ticket and with the convert rake this is costing me money. thanks
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06-23-2016 , 02:32 PM
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This was just an example of spots when you have 15 BBs or less in NL Single Draw where you are handcuffed and can't do anything but fold if you don't get dealt anything with equity. I've only played the $2.20 PKOs so far and find myself short real fast after the 60/120 level, despite this having 10 min levels. It probably has to do with antes being 25% of BB.
I don't think you really understand equilibria. No matter the format, there's always a certain % you can jam profitably, whether it comes from fold equity or raw hand equity. In freezeouts you have more fold equity, in PKO you have more equity in hand. It should all come down to roughly the same EV if everyone plays properly. For the reasons you stated, 2-7 single draw is the absolute best game I can think of for PKO.

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Fun is definitely a subjective word. However, you can't just have games which appeal to the pros where they have insane ROIs and the fish eventually run away from the games. The edges in non-holdem games are already huge and the pros should be willing to sacrifice some short-term EV for the longevity of the game.
Well, all of PKO probably reduces your edge from straight up freezeouts. So there's that.
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06-23-2016 , 05:07 PM
It's like luke says not enough "time in the day to look at thousands of unique mtts"

yes you added guarantee boosts. how can you not see that the double deuce 22 50k has had 95k the last two weeks. its not that hard. There are others too. Is it my job to point them out for you? Why don't you do that Doggz since you helped the new schedule.

it would take me 10 min to write the updated guarantees (eg increasing ones that significantly cleared it) do i have 10 mins, maybe, but hey i'm not getting payed for it.
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06-23-2016 , 05:29 PM
heres a suggestion

revert to the old payouts For red/blue mtts on sundays For a trial basis
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06-23-2016 , 05:43 PM
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Doggz is not posting ITT anymore. He did not seem seriously mal-intended at all, I think.

Other than broken_jia, who should seriously have stop posting now, after advocating PKO happily, leaching of his old reputation as a helpful and decent poster who improved the non-nlhe games, which he actually did, before he became an Amaya-shill.
I don't understand this logic.

Do you really think that if Jia had full authority to change the non-NL holdem schedule on Pokerstars the product would look the way it does today? Are you demented into thinking that Jia has anything more than a role as an observer who puts in 3 cents where most of us put in 2 cents?

Perhaps Jia is just saying something to the effect that he doesn't like the schedule but is smart enough to realize that his 3 cents isn't going to change the world and therefore is striving to pick around the edges to make things better where there's a remote possibility that something can change.

If you want to blame someone for these changes blame the people that are demanding x number in terms of profit for the next quarter. All the employees are just pawns and if they want to collect a paycheck have to go along with the flow. Some are more creative in trying to convince us that the changes are good for us/recs and others just say this is the way it is and deal with it. Personally I prefer the latter.
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06-23-2016 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by inheritance79
why is the rake for $25 Hyper Knockout 18 player SNGs so high....relative to other formats?

Eg.Tourney 1601373433 is a 18 player, super-ko, hyper turbo sng with a buy in of $11.58+$11.58+$1.84.

while tourney 1600746779 is a $30 45 player progressive super ko, hyper sng is $14.30+$14.30+$1.40?
Shhhhh, Stars will look at this post and just raise the rake in the 45mans
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06-23-2016 , 06:07 PM
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I don't understand this logic.
He's a known troll / imbecile / drug-crazed lunatic on something like his 20th account.
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06-23-2016 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
I don't understand this logic.

Do you really think that if Jia had full authority to change the non-NL holdem schedule on Pokerstars the product would look the way it does today? Are you demented into thinking that Jia has anything more than a role as an observer who puts in 3 cents where most of us put in 2 cents?

Perhaps Jia is just saying something to the effect that he doesn't like the schedule but is smart enough to realize that his 3 cents isn't going to change the world and therefore is striving to pick around the edges to make things better where there's a remote possibility that something can change.

If you want to blame someone for these changes blame the people that are demanding x number in terms of profit for the next quarter. All the employees are just pawns and if they want to collect a paycheck have to go along with the flow. Some are more creative in trying to convince us that the changes are good for us/recs and others just say this is the way it is and deal with it. Personally I prefer the latter.
Yeah, that post you quoted got deleted, lol. I'll follow your approach now, since complaing seems pointless on a Forum sponsored by PS...

Last edited by Contemplater; 06-23-2016 at 06:25 PM.
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06-23-2016 , 08:41 PM
please don't mess about with the 2-7 single draw games, they run absolutely fine and if anyone is finding themselves short by the 60/120 blind level which someone mentioned in this thread it's just because they are probably not very good at the game or they just haven't adjusted well to the changes implemented.

the fact that the majority of them are now PKO actually creates alot more action earlier on instead of a bunch of nits waiting around for 7's or 86's at worst before putting their chips into the pot
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06-23-2016 , 09:33 PM
So the payouts in b11 ect been changed upped again? Is this just the trial runs on some of the bigs ? I read Luke said was a trial, how is it going?

We all have decent opinions here we just need to stop arguing with one another and realise amaya have taken over and are making mtt s a lot flatter which we obviously voice our opinions saying we don't like it and seen recs come in th st never post on here complaining.

All we can do is keep trying until Amaya decline /sell up, we can keep trying our best to give them direction but the direction they want is pure profit and less cashouts .. more freezeouts please Luke
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06-23-2016 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by yahooza
please don't mess about with the 2-7 single draw games, they run absolutely fine and if anyone is finding themselves short by the 60/120 blind level which someone mentioned in this thread it's just because they are probably not very good at the game or they just haven't adjusted well to the changes implemented.

the fact that the majority of them are now PKO actually creates alot more action earlier on instead of a bunch of nits waiting around for 7's or 86's at worst before putting their chips into the pot

What are the prizepools getting in these? They seem dead, I love 2-7 but if they made a decent one with a gtd worth playing in would donate
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06-24-2016 , 11:52 AM
Heh this thread is so dead.

Edit: funny enough this post is 5000th in the thread.
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