+1
make normal 9max tables as it was before, o8 is now not playable.

kind a shady that addons are displayed the way they are, not even sure that's legal..

Sat playing 2.20 horse $57 top prize, usually i'd have 4 games going at this time, really bad times. Thanks alot Luke for not giving any time to any game bar holdem and junking every game that was +EV for me.

Bring back the 8max courchevel 1.10c 3x turbo rebuy, I killed that game, now its gone.

Very sad times.

+1,000,000

Great post 100% agree with all of this. Main thing i noticed when i studied some structures was the level design seemed poor. Levels going up at 100/200k for example in small field bb/hots just seems poorly utilised. Need a smoother transition on levels so every level is realisticly used and this in turn should fix the structures.

Im glad to hear you are taking this seriously Luke. Dont recall seeing a backlash in MTTc of this magnitude ever. Usually just moaning regs itt as we know but the sheer amount of small stakes rec players unhappy must be a big concern to you.

Cliffs.

Your massive player base aren't going to accept being force fed hyper pskos only.

So, because this was an error by stars, meaning players were massively overcharged on rake, you'll be issuing rake refunds ASAP to all players who entered the erroneous tournaments......

i for one don't appreciate responses that dont address the other major issues people are having.

Luke where is your comment on adding more regular speed tournaments? what are you planning to do with the non NLHE schedule? any plans to improve the mirco/low stake tournament schedule which people have said their options were severely reduced? what about HU tournaments?

IF YOU DON'T PLAN ON CHANGING ANY OF THESE THINGS TELL US!!!

some comment is better than none. you are leaving a lot of people hanging here and it's not very respectable.

I'm off stars. This is bull****tt.

good post +1

Great job with the 109 zoom, really nice seeing an empty slot for a 109 being cancelled everyday. Could you not perhaps make it a normal FO or even a ****ing progressive super KO? Hellooo

Will there be a response about payouts i wonder, the most damaging of recent changes imo

Hey luke, the prob w structure is that u have to make every big/hot different, you cant drop the same at b109 and b3.

Give it a change, u will have a lot of work looking deep in the past tornaments, but will worth it. And fix the ****ing payouts, please!

he already commented on the payouts before the new tournament schedule was released. they have been out for over 2 weeks now, so people were complaining a while ago. doesn't sound like they will be changing anytime soon...

Dear PokerStars

Your goal is pretty obvious right now. You guys are so desperate and greedy for more MONEY that you basically willing to do anything no matter how big the sacrfice is.

That's fine. 90% of big companies are just willing to slash ppl's throat for a nickle.

But please do not try to justify and explain your so called "changes" and "improvements". These current updates to MTT's are no more than BADLY CONCEALED, DESPERATE AND VERY OBVIOUS ATTEMPT TO SQUEEZE OUT MORE MONEY.

Didn't realize you guys were hurting THAT bad and you are THAT far off from your projected yearly income.

Or is it just greed? Whichever it is, please stop with the bullsh*t. You guys are interested in one (and only one) thing: M O N E Y

Short-term money making, nothing more.

Good job!

i don't even know why i bother commenting in this thread anymore cause it seems obvious PS doesn't care in the least about our complaints and will do nothing to satisfy them. not one person has said they like the new pay table, yet here it remains. we are talking to a brick wall for the most part.

I am late coming to do this as I haven't been on 2p2 for a while, but I'm going to have my say also.

I am purely a micro stakes recreational player. Most months I play less than 30 MTT's. I used to enjoy the game selection and would frequently play the $2.20 $4K GT at 18:45 GMT, the $1.35 KO now and again at 18:15 and the $3.30 PLO at 18:35. I won the latter a couple of years back when the guarantee was $1500 (sick brag huh). Prior to the latest schedule changes this was down to a $750 GT. I could also happily dip in to $2.20 HORSE and 8-Game MTT's between 6 and 9pm.

Now the game choice is woefully inadequate if you want to play 'normal' poker. The schedule is dominated by gimmick MTT's paying 17% of the field (with min cashes being less than 1.4 x buy in a lot of the time), with 4 minute, 7 minute, 8 minute levels and 2-3 re-entries allowed. This only encourages the reckless bingo players to go wild and invariably suck out with something like Q4o!

I filtered the schedule for PLO / NLHE micro MTT's (reg / turbo speed, single entry, excluding KO's) and absolutely nothing appealed.

I don't want to play bounty builders.

I don't want to play bingo, hyper speed spin and go's.

I don't want to play 5 card Omaha / Courchevel.

I don't want to play the latest novelty 'challenges'.

I don't want to see or hear pointless Neymar / Ronaldo / Nadal promotions.

I want to play normal poker. Poker in it's many variations is beautiful. Abusing it in cynical exploitation of bread and butter players as PS has done makes me sick to my stomach.

I know elite cash game players are unhappy too about game selection, rake, VPP's etc so there must be few players left that PS has not yet managed to piss off. I'm sure before long though they will.

I don't think PS will ever be the same again so I only have 1 question. Which site now offers the best micro MTT's in standard formats?

Here is what I personally believe this very limited statement actually means. Please, prove me wrong. How to speak Amayastars/Predictions:

Sigh... low stakes rec players are smarter than we thought. Even though we don't want to, we are forced to take your concerns seriously and we have to find a way to dance around actually addressing them which is going to take until the end of the week. Notice I use the word "address." Don't expect any actual changes, otherwise I might have used that word. I need a few days to come up with the best possible excuses to move forward with turbo stars. I will be talking with the head shills to figure out a way to resell you an all turbo format since you guys saw through it like glass. We might throw in some withered micros to placate the low stakes players who we said we were looking out for. If that doesn't work to quiet at least 25% of you, we come up with a very bad compromise that we will tell you is great for poker and rec players. Just remember guys, scoop is coming, so don't quit now!

ALSO, I fixed unplayable "splash" format. YOU'RE WELCOME.

sigh, some people here really need to calm down

It's an absolute farce what they're doing to the structures. They just treat us like braindead monkeys. In the past 2 days i had top30-finishes in the $55 bountybuilder (twice), the $44bountybuilder and a 90th in the $33 bountybuilder. They are treating us like ******s with these special "longer levels later in the tournament" as the levels wont EVER be reached anyway. Yay we get 10min levels after 42lvls @ 15k/30k??? and EVEN TWELVE MINUTES after lvl55 @100k/200k ?!?!?! how sick, this means real nice slow play in latestage!!!. Well guess ****ing what. final2tables are reached at somewhere around lvl35, where we JUST switched from 8minutes to 9minutes (WOOOHOOO). at the 100k200k 12minlevel, theres about 20bb IN PLAY IN THE WHOLE TOURNEY

Seriously every tourney is a turbo now, theres practically no difference between 5min turbos and 8min "regspeeds". FFS as everyone in this thread told you, theres HEAPS AND HEAPS of things to play for those guys who dont wanna "waste" 8hrs of tourneyplay etc. they can play sngs, 180men, spins, turbos, hypers, you name it. Just let us have normal ****ing POKER TOURNAMENTS. This is seriously ****ed up.

+ a lot

idk why everyone is panicking and writing things like this. while there's still much work to do and we're probably ****ed wrt payout structures, luke has been pretty responsive itt and has already implemented some changes because of feedback given. I really hope micros & mixed games are getting another overhaul, while I don't play too many of them it seems like the changes are terrible.

let's wait for monday when hopefully the terrible structures are gone and go from there. the schedule in itself looks pretty amazing to me, especially euro mornings have a lot of added value (as long as structures get changed). a big 11$ at 09:00 cet? hell **** yeah, actually gets me pumped getting up super early on sunday mornings

That big 11 you are talking about is now just a random $11 wearing the big 11 mask as disguise.
You are no longer getting a nice structure and a good pay day compared to the big 11's we all loved in years gone by.

No longer something to look forward too.

I've been a 2+2 member for as long as I can remember and have been playing on pokerstars for 12 years, achieving supernova the last 8 years or so while playing professionally.

Throughout the years I had the pleasure to witness a Isai Scheinberg ran Pokerstars grow by building a tight relashionship with the poker community, professionals and amateurs. I watched this company be on the forefront of security at a time where no one cared about it, push international tournaments in places you would never expect, all of this while maintaining a certain gold standard. People had brand loyalty towards PS because of this, even if more competitive bonuses or loyalty programs were out there, people gravitated towards them because they left like they cared about the poker community, where other sites were more focused on sportsbetting or casino games.

I understand that Isai isn't calling the shots anymore, and as much as it pains me to watch you guys destroy everything he built through short sighted self sabotage, I understand that this out of my power. All I ask is that you don't lie to us.

Don't come in here parading these "great changes", where every single change in the Amaya era has been masking some form of bottom line greed. Honestly its ****ing insulting to my intelligence. Sitting around watching you guys find new ways to regurgitate your bull**** and I have a hard time believing you guys can ACTUALLY believe that this is ever in the best interest of poker.


I'm now gonna fly to Montreal to play a garbage terribly ran WSOPc event instead of going to EPT Monaco

./endrant

responsive? he made 1 change to the bigs (which are still fkd) and has refused to comment on a litany of other issues people have. just cause things are fine for u doesn't make it so for others.

Take a deep breath, the schedule has not even been out a week yet. It will all be okay.


In all seriousness though, its pretty awesome so many off peak MTTs are getting such huge prizepools. The big 11 starting at 9am GMT was obviously never going to be as big as the one starting right in the middle of peak time. I completely agree with structures though, but give Luke a chance.