It can be seen how much drop the guarantie for super tuesday and thursday thrill over 2-3 years by about 2-3 times from 450 to 150-200k ,but they still make highroller club like theres a lot of HS players and not a 6 k participants of 11 bb everyday for which they can make some mid stakes league .

Stars are a profit maximising company, and this is all they do. They work hard on distributing the money to everyone through progressive KOs and paying out money to more people which in turn can be raked over and over again. If we add up what they have done the past two years:

Scrapped rakeback completely
Killed all low variance formats and infested everything with gimmicks
Increased rake a _lot_
Pay out a bigger %% of the field
Raking rebuys
Slaughtered all SnGs where you could make any kind of profits
Making everything rec-friendly so bad players can keep raking their money
Making everything non-reg friendly so good players can't keep their money and have to go to the depths of the high variance waters

More money being raked higher, more often. And absolutely no rakeback, for Sweden its totally scrapped it seems like?

All in all we are talking a **** ton of money like $hundreds of millions, and honestly we are a minority that noone gives a rat ass about. We can complain as much as we want but $$$$ talks. For now this cash cow will be pumping out some good moolah but I am pretty ****ing sure that it eventually will die when the player base withers away

I actually don't agree that games have less variance with the new payouts but obviously agree that expected earnings have been diminished massively. Even if you are cashing at a 20-25% clip it doesn't really mean anything when mincash is 1.7x. Basically anyone who isn't outright winning tourneys is likely to be losing money due to the top heaviness.

One has to win mtts to win at mtts

Rocket science 101

Luke since I know you lurk the thread, can you drop the Saturday $215 HU Zoom to $109 or even better $82?

It is DONE at $215, there just aren't enough people playing unless you think a 60 person guarantee is "enough" at a paltry 12k.

Drop it down to $109 or $82 and make it 30-40k, the high stakes regs can do more rebuys, more people will be able to play and it's not a ridiculous 1000% jump in price relative to the $22.

7oad what is it with these hu games man? Is anyone even beating them games. If u like heads up there is some 50nl zoom always accessible.

Its shame but these total ko hu mtts cant be good for anyone that wants to make money . They used to have std hu games which were pretty beatable but with these games ur better off griding 50nl zoom hu than play these? Idk i played once seen u paid x amount of rake got 5th i ln one for like 30 bucks never played one again

I love them and yes people are crushing these games.

50 and 100nl is relatively dead, but I get your point, regardless they are fun variants and you can make a ton of money at them if you know how to play them, especially considering how fun they are and how well they generally do.

I get your point, but I'm not trying to encroach on other games and say "remove x and make 99% hu zooms (although I would like that I won't lie xD)," more like ADD or TWEAK the current schedule.

There's barely 6 over 11 during an entire day, it just should be more.

Had this problem for 7 days up until yesterday when they updated. Wp the one guy they have on the job

Ok ok give this man some more total pko hu mtts ��
215s are already dying anyways. Most likely every 215 becomes a 109 in the near future

Yes.

Hi Luke, can we please get some non-hyper STT sats to 215 and higher turbo series events? Thanks!

I mean honestly. I would be glad if it was changed to a $109 or even a $55 instead of a $215.
You have to keep in mind, that usually the higher the buy-in for a tournament the higher the amount of regs compared to recs, but since its a Zoom Heads Up, most regs dont play them, because they masstable other tournaments and dont have enough focus to also play a HU Zoom at the same time.

This format is mainly for people who dont masstable tournaments (mostly recs). Its obvious that a high buy-in version doesnt really work due to the lack of recs at these stakes.

But as you can see the numbers of all the other ones are rising even some of them are a bit overlapping like the $5.50 at 17:05 CET and the $11 at 18:25 CET.

I mean I wouldnt be surprised if we see more Zoom HU MTTs even for other formats in the near future. Before the last maintance there were a few "Test Tournaments" for for example "HU PL Omaha 8".

But I am also still missing more Zoom MTTs in general in those event series. We didnt have a single Zoom MTT in the winter series and only 2 in the upcomming Turbo Series and those two are even the least popular ones.

I"m trying to understand these changes,but it beats me.In a $55 tournament the gap is something like this https://imgur.com/a/lb2mynB .
This tournament used to have easy 60k on prize pool,until they screw the payout structure
So basically,if you make ITM,you just have to stall until next level,altough i see a lot of action which means bigger variance.

Luke, listen to this man, $82 Saturday HU pko zoom, DO IT, DO IT NOW!

Yeah it's dumb af, very few zooms too, honestly have no idea why Stars doesn't add like 6-8 more during the day, they can even make the guarantee small af and make it rebuy, but basically they are a good option for:

People who don't have a ton of time, but do want to play a good deal of hands and don't want to play rake trap turbos and hypers

And again, making a few of them AND not making it some massive guarantee accomplishes a ton in NOT having long tournies and letting people that otherwise wouldn't play actually be able to play due to the shortness of them and more actual poker being played.

Prob cos winning regs can actually make money off them

Ironic because not necessarily true as could come 2nd-9th a bunch and still net profit...just much less likely with changes as implied. Do we need to send you back to the pre-requisite course; Rocket Science 001?

Took a look at them, nearly 11% Rake für HU Mtts is good for you? Please stop trash talking in this thread.

Seriously almost every single Post from you has some kind of misinformation.You are blocked by now and i hope a lot of others will do the same.

Kinda feels like MTTs are in a similar place now to what cash was when they cut rakeback. In the near future we'll see lots of mediocre regs stop playing and games will get softer. This summer especially I think is going to be the softest Stars has been in a long time.

You sound like someone who either didnt even play those tournaments before or someone who is pretty bad in heads up. Otherwise you wouldnt say that. Every reg knows that the lower the amount of players on your table, the higher the potential winrates. So what is even your point? Stop commenting if you have no idea what your talking, seriously man.

Every tornament is crushing their GTDs. Can you please push it a bit?

NO!

-Luke

It'll get warm quite soon.

Why would it not be? Look if 1% more rake causes you to lose, it wasn't the 1%.

There is no trash talk, I am making suggestions, if you're too soft to deal with reading suggestions on the internet, I'd suggest hitting the log out button.

Don't think so and as if I care about some irrelevant dweeb blocking me, BYE.

Nice comment man, you get the facts straight.

You guys are just foolish, HU games are soft against weak players... no ****.

I just took a look at the old Hu Hyper MTTs rake... Buy in was 10$+0.20$. (70AD and Speck CHAMP feel like the new ones: 4.90$+0.60$, 9.80+1.20$, 14.70$+1.80$ make up for good games!)

I don't know if I can still beat these lowstakes HU mtts, but i surely know i will never waste my time to find out.


This Post is no Ego-dick-swinging, i just wanted to point out that you two guys are badly informed or have not enough background knowledge to truly evaluate the "greatness" of these games.

You just misinform a bunch of other Regs in this Thread.


Im done.

Wow. What is wrong with you man?

"you two guys are badly informed"

Yea we play those MTTs on an almost daily basis, but the guy who isnt even sure if he can even beat them since he never played them is better informed? Makes sense.

https://youtu.be/SbQ4I0FeK0g?t=270


But your hypers were more profitable with ur ~30 % roi right? Oh because the rake was lower right? Cool story bro.

You can also just go to sharkscope and check the statistics of some of those regs out if you still dont belive it, so where is your point?

And if you still not belive it, then just dont play them? But at least do your homework and do the research before you talk nonesense.