New structure, new regs, new site.... seems pretty standard.

breaking even at 38/55 was pretty standard for decent regs before black friday wasnt it? or were people pulling off 3-5% winrates still...

i cant see it being better now with the awesome new rake structure and no players?

same at 6max...
seems like way more fish than regs have left after the changes, which doesn't make sense but it really looks like that.

i mean think about yourself as a recreational player, you are probably used to playing a set buyin, a clean one like 60, or 16 or whatever, you log in one day after work and you see a bunch of decimal points, the lobby is basically unreadable, and you cant figure out where your favorite games are, on top of that the smart ones will be able to figure out that hey, my rake is now more (in a lot of cases)...

the recreational players either went to play on a different site, or just didnt play at all... complete mass fail in every aspect, all they had to do was lower the rake a little, keep the same or near the same buyin levels and make a few tweaks to the structure, instead some genius decided to overhaul everything, scare away the fish with ridiculous buyin amounts and try to level the regs here into thinking we got a "great deal" by showing us some fancy graphs that the overall rake has actually had a slight reduction...

i'm not sure what's more tilting, the scaring away the fish part or the fact that they thought the changes would somehow be greeted with positivity by the forum users here...

i said something very similar to a friend yesterday.

p.s the structure is back to normal plus 150/300 as of now.

This is a strategy of Pokerstars. They already know before that the 'NEW STRUCTURE' is veryyyyyy bad. They change it in the same time of increasing the rake.

In the beginnen they already know to change back to the 'Old structure', to create goodwill and want to show people that they are listening to us. This to compensate the rake increasing!

But we are not stupid!!! 90% of the players want to 16s back. Give us that back, that is the ONLY option to hold the most players to stay in Pokerstars.

I find it hard to believe that many of them left because of the ugly looking buy-ins... can't think of another reason though


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Sippin y'll never be a rakeback pro.

bump... steve what would say the chances are for rake in stars sngs to be made 6.5% or better across the board at some point...

please choose one of the following options

1. good

2. average

3. below average

4. unlikely

5. never happen

6. lol like we would ever "lower" rake

Um no, the guy is absolutely spot on. I've been saying this since day 1. Or at least thinking it but pretty sure I posted it somewhere.

I've no doubt Mr Criss is profitable in the higher stakes, it's just going to take about 1 million games to get there

Steve, I think it would be a good move to have the $20s+$1.70 appear in the 'Low' SNG Tab, might make them more attractive.

If you program it correctly, they could still simultaneously appear in the 'Medium' Tab as well.

I have been on a trip for the last 2 weeks and have just read through this... I really seems like a mess...

First of all, since the Black Friday hit volume went down quite a bit in all ways and games... so as a compagny going through hard times... what should you do... well obviously you should tighten up your belt and offer better/cheaper services to your custumers to make sure you keep the ones you have + get new ones...

Changing structures at the same time as changing rakes is pretty rediculous to me, when you have something that goes realtively well, why would you change everything at once instead of changing things gradually. I mean change rake first, see how that goes. Then change structures, see how that goes and keep going with other stuff... Poker is going through a big instability, the last thing players need is more instability...

Pokerstars has to do something about this, because it is all about volume. The way to go is to have A LOT OF PLAYERS ON THE SITE... not only big stakes, medium or small. All... You need volume everywhere in every game. Thats why poker players play on the bigger sites, they want volume. How do you get the best volume, by offering the best products.

Any pokersite with a decent long term view should be offering lower rake % than any other sites to get the players on their site. Fish won't worry about rake... but fish will play where the games fill up the fastest and where they have the most game selection.

I know i'm probably saying what a lot have already been saying but I don't get this...

Why doesn't stars ask REGS what to do when they want to do changes. I mean REGS are the ones giving money to stars. If REGS were consulted this mess would never have happened. Instead people not really understanding the situation at a desk in an office (with good intentions) take the decisions. Customers are always right, and players are customers so Stars has to do something and quickly because they will loose their part of the market.

I REALLY HOPE STEEVE AND OTHER POKERSTARS STAFF READ THIS AND THIS ABOUT IT

Thanks...

They are too busy looking at their profit; they will only look at this thread if these numbers/profit decrease

TOTALLY AGREE..

THIS PLZ STEVE...

Very well put. +1

^ LOL perfect!

I also agree with bringing $20's into the lower tab. Some fish might not even bother clicking the medium tab presuming the next stake up is $27 or $30.

Lower rake please!!

bump, supposedly more changes are coming, from what we've seen so far it will just be a rounded buyin at most levels and probably another rake increase snuck in... steve if im wrong about this please let me know... or even better just post the changes here...

what have you seen and how do you figure there will be more rake increases?

I think there is basically going to be a rake increase on 5050s (not that most of you care)
I believe steve said the rake would remain the same while the buy ins were decreased to make the totals even.

That would be pretty sick meaning of "rake will remain unchanged"

Officiel

ok looks like he meant rake % and not rake amount, which is good and what his statement should of meant, but after the way they've handled the other sngs it's not what i was expecting.

on the new "16s" they upped the rake AND lowered the buy-in. So now the "16s" (aka 15.00 flat), now we have 13.82+1.18. F***** awesome, just crush my nuts in a vice why don't you....

Seems to me these new changes actually do meet the description of "overall decrease"

Sucks if you used to grind 16s or 3.25 6max, though.