Situation that occured last night approaching the bubble. The player UTG acquired a big stack of 4500 and sat out. When the blinds got to 300/600/60 his stack was widdled down and was going to be set all-in next hand. He was a lucky donkey and crippled me early, but I still was hanging around barely.

I am in the SB with 520 and everybody folded to me. The BB is all-in for 450 this hand but we're both supremely shortstacked. I have 83 in the SB and decided to fold here because if I call and lose I am almost all in with the ante before the BB is in. The blinds were going up within 1 minute.

Question is since I had enough chips to ante the next hand and not be AI do I have to call in this situation with ATC? I guess I wanted to screw this guy over since he put a nasty 2 outer on me with a horribly played hand.

its his fault for sitting out. You owe him nothing. Fold and have him get screwed for sitting out.

Ive seen this or ridiculously tight large stacks do similiar things form idiots. It sucks, but just call n hope for the best.

You always do what is best for you. Playing out of spite will cost you in the long run.

He could show up at anytime so you still have risk but this is where I have problems with people who time stall cause it's late and they don't consider that someone is sitting out so speeding up the play is +EV.

+1

There is some utility value in beating some moron of you get enjoyment from it. I still remember a hand where this aggrotard kept trying to own me on $119 6-max bubble with a micro stack sitting out. The stupid part was he had slightly less chips than me. He shoved into me for like 50BBs I think when micro stack had 5 chips behind. I called with TT. His KJ didn't improve and he bubbled. Sitting out guy won $270. So fun.

I ended up folding to the BB and he showed AA! The guy sitting out didn't show up and bubbled out so I cashed!

Easy fold. Fold AA in that spot.

There's a difference between poker ethics and poker brains. You need to act in your own best interests and that's what you did.

This is different from acting out of spite, which will be long term -EV. It's also different from a heads-up situation where, if you believe someone has a short term disconnect, you can wait an orbit or two for them to come back before starting to reduce their stack.

if I understand this correctly, you fold you win. Player UTG will fold his bb next hand and the tourney ends, unless he miraculously wakes up to play his bb.

why on earth would you call the current bb? no ethics involved.

now if you hated the bb, that would call for some ethics/entertainment/ev weighing.

The Rhino nailed it. I'm almost alone in this forum in not liking trying to quickly blind someone down who has disconnected. That's kind of borderline, but most people accept that it's part of the online game. But here, this guy chose as a strategy to try to sit out into the money. His strategy failed. You don't have to feel bad about that.

That was you?

grrrrr


(j/k)

I've been reading this thread for an hour and can't find any ethical dilemma. I'll keep looking.

The way I look at it, I pay more money to have internet that almost never goes down and I pay money for backup internet so that when it does I'm not stuck $. If someone else isn't doing the same that's their fault.

Suggesting that it's not unethical to rape a casual player's blinds because they don't pay for backup internet for their one table for the very rare times that they get disconnected is so lol that I think only a 2p2er would think it a decent argument. I mean, if you don't think it's indecent, fair enough, agree to differ, but it's not their fault.

Yeah, like a guy playing a $5 SNG is going to be paying extra for backup internet.

'Sup Crude.


great thread.

I don't find it to be an ethical dilemma even if UTG is hit by the lightning that caused his internetz to go out, and his poker account is all his widow has to feed his 16 starving kids after he is gone.

+EV

Whether that's what you feel or not, why would you say it?

I think this thread has run its course.