Name some people that have 10%+ roi in the 60's that 8 table with sample sizes over 3k? Hmmm but people with 10% roi at the 60's will move to the 114's? 10% roi at the 60's would be 5.5 per game. Not alot of people make 5.50 per sng. I wonder how much does money does big joe make per sng?

The $60s seem to be self-regulating at about 10-12% ROI the best a really good player (who doesn't move up or to cash for some reason) can expect over time. I think this may happen eventually to every level of poker when the amount of work required to get really good balances out with the reward. Except for nosebleeds which also require rare talent.

Very well put.
Suzz i thought u went from sngs -> limit, but now ur primarily playing no limit cash right? what lvl did u start at?

no limit > limit ? fk i cant stand winning the blinds with aces in those cash games

fk i just lost to the worst player ever in the HU but at least i dont have to spend all night and tomorrow morning winning it now.

Well if you go to sharkscope leaderboard for avg. profit last 500 games ($36-$100) there's 10 people over $10 and one at $16. But then you switch it to total profit last 12 months ($36-$100) and only #1 and #2 have an amount that you could live off of (if you can live like a poor college student). Then you drop it down to $6-$15 total profit last 12 months and spacegravy and the venetian both have made more than everyone on the $36-$100 list except the #1 guy.

Edit - should clarify that's turbos. $36-$100 without the turbo has a bunch more people over $30,000.

Let's see. I went from sngs + job -> busto -> sngs + no job -> busto -> sngs + mtt wins -> robusto -> drunken 5000nl -> busto -> sngs + run like god -> semi-robusto -> sngs + UIGEA + pissing off god apparently -> busto -> get a job + sngs + mtts -> robusto.

Time for some more 25/50nl looks like.

Never played limit, learning cash on the side now, still playing SNGs on the weekend.

Theres no point in looking at the sharkscope leaderboard for avg profit for last 500 games. They are people who are running hot or are playing very few tables. People are making chump change compared to cash for the $36-$100 for total profit for last 12 months.

That was kind of my point. There are people who have made $10+ per SnG for 500 games yet no one on the list has made $40K in a years time. Obviously $10 or $16 per SnG is running sickly hot but the 12 months stat shows that no one is really making a living at those levels - or they all move up instead.

wtf suzzer? are you a tilt monkey? I know you're a good player... thats a sick cycle man.

Great point Bradley. if you played a zillion sngs a day you could live off of FPPS though lol. I guess u just have to supplement your sng income with cash and mtt, which also helps with burnout. I wish I had read this site pre-UIGEA :-(

Suzzer how come you didn't drop down when you droped like 2k? For me I usally drop down if I lose like 1k but I play $24's to 36's. If I start losing even more I would actually drop down again till I start winning alittle then move back up.

As Meatloaf said

This is over 2 about years btw. The first couple bustos I sucked. Then there was the drunken thing. Then I tried to play a ton in Feb when the games were horrible and I ran bad and I played bad. Very bad combo.

As far as dropping down, I did a few times early. But then once I'd been playing the $60s forever just figured I'd rather get a job if I went busto. Which happened. Actually now that I think about it... I scraped bottom (had all my $$ in play) about 5 times, but never really went busto. I have since then a couple times but that's because I cashed out then ran a little bad.

I really didn't like playing for a living. I'm not sure I could ever be happy doing nothing but poker for my income. It's painful and not very satisfying (to me). I do miss the freedom though.

I'm honestly glad things worked out to push me back to work. I work at a small company where I'm learning a ton. I'd like to try either be a partner in this company in a few years, or start something similar of my own.

I'd be willing to bet you make more money playing on weekends and in your leisure time now then you would have before. It really is all about balance.

Yeah when I was a pro, I think I may have made more money overall if I only played weekends. My edge was so thin on the weekdays AND I was playing too much AND the other regulars get sick of your ass and start calling.

any of the rich STTFers PM me if you're interested in backing me for the $1050 sunday or the $2600 ME. open to suggestions on % of winnings kept etc.

Don't know about all the other good 60ers but I'll play a lot higher when the games are juicy. Game selection at the higher levels is the shiznit.

ah yeah lucky you

I really feel Gramps playing 50k+ sngs didn't get enough love.
I hate when people make claims with no intention of backing them up.
But I really feel I could have an ROI over 12 in the 60s, especially if you count RB.
Lacky when you said you lost A7 to QJ on an a74 flop it took me like three seconds to realize how that was possible.

Pudge I know you are referring to my claim.

How do I back it up?

jnfpoker 2,115 $7 $55 11% $13,779 - PokerStars

My sample size may not be large enough. The majority of this play is 9-tabling and no game selection at all. I view myself as maybe an above average player and would not be surprised 15% is possible.

this [censored] pisses the mother [censored] [censored] out of me. You stupid mother [censored] donkey theres no [censored] dead money in the pot

Big Stack has 26

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (4 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB (t635)
UTG (t4220)
Button (t7005)
Hero (t1640)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, 8.
1 fold, Button raises to t1800, 1 fold.

Flop: (t1950) K, Q, A (2 players)

Turn: (t1950) 4 (2 players)

River: (t1950) 3 (2 players)

Final Pot: t1950

I wasn't counting RB. And basically what I was saying is anyone who can beat 12% usually moves up then to cash.

Standard, especially when you are folding a hand like j8s.

Is this a joke? Looks pretty mother [censored] standard to me.

LOL standardiments.

pifhluk, why should the button care if shorty doubles? He gets chips he's happy. Bubble continues with the way these stacks are set up, he's happy. His only big mistake would be to let you or UTG take BB's chips.