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11-07-2010 , 07:21 PM

tiftuk

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No real reads on CO (he has opened a couple and taken it down).

The BB interests me more though. He bad. Passive pre (unless he has a monster) and bluffy post-flop.

Easy call?

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t200 - 9 players
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MP1: t19766 M = 4.71
MP2: t32826 M = 7.82
CO: t42121 M = 10.03
BTN: t32078 M = 7.64
Hero (SB): t89309 M = 21.26
BB: t75290 M = 17.93
UTG: t56454 M = 13.44
UTG+1: t26673 M = 6.35
UTG+2: t49201 M = 11.71

Pre Flop: (t4200) Hero is SB with 4

5 folds, CO raises to t3500, BTN folds, Hero???

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11-07-2010 , 08:41 PM

killer_kill

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Fold. CO's range is wide and he's not very deep so it's going to be hard for us to cooler him often enough when we flop a set. You wanna set mine vs strong ranges with deeper stacks. So the times it's 489 flops and he has QQ/KK/AA type stuff he'll stack off more often. Where as he can be stealing and entirely miss the flop waaay more often in the CO (not that he can't have those big hands, just not the same as say UTG etc).

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11-07-2010 , 10:01 PM

Gazillion

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Meh, if BB is a confirmed drooler and as bad as you say he is then I think setmining is fine here once in a while. I def wouldn't make it a default but the conditions look OK for it here with your read.

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11-08-2010 , 01:08 AM

Elachim

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Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 572

This is an interesting hand. I kind of like set-mining here given the reads. If you hit the set, I would probably check/call the flop and check/raise the turn (if he usually double-barrels) and hopefully CO will come along for the ride... But this is a marginal +EV spot and folding is perfectly fine since your implied odds aren't great if they don't stack off light and a lot has to go right for you to make a lot of chips.

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11-08-2010 , 02:17 PM

killer_kill

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Originally Posted by Gazillion

Yeah, that's true. But we're not that sure he is going to come along. If we knew he was super station pf then I'd like it a lot more. Just sucks the times BB folds and we're oop not flopping sets enough. Plus it's going to be hard to stack people OOP w/3 people.

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11-08-2010 , 02:49 PM

Potamito

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Originally Posted by Gazillion

Even more if we know villians is bad he´s not going to pay us off unless he has a strong hands or connect hard with the board and giving its a CO open raise we can assume his range its wide here wich decreases our setmine value...Im folding.

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11-08-2010 , 04:05 PM

desperad0oo7

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setmining here is horrible.

1- we're not getting the implied odds
2- we're out of position
3- villains' ranges are wide so we are less likely to get paid off.

on a given day, depending on villains I might shove here

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11-08-2010 , 06:59 PM

Gazillion

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I think you missed the read about BB being bluffy. With 46BBs effective vs somebody who can stack off light postflop we have decent implied odds here imo.

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