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04-09-2016 , 03:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uhrenknecht
If I click the promo link on the 27series in the software I get directed to this https://www.unibet.de/promotions/pok...ankroll-series

where I can see when in january these games run.
In Belgium it shows the february dates: https://nl.unibet.be/promotions/poke...ankroll-series
04-09-2016 , 11:29 PM
I am also in favor of great tournament series. I mean, I really love to play serieses but "27" didn't give any incentive to play it, really.

Here's a suggestion for good tournament series with your current running. Instead of running series that last every day for whole month, you should choose one out of two. Option 1: Run one 7-14 days series or Option 2: Run series that last whole month, but just in 2-4 days in a week.

Here's one way to go for it, which allows most people to play it with small enough buy-ins and no need to grind every day:

"The Great Spring Weekend Series"

Friday
20:00 10€ Deepstack 12 min (12 min)
21:00 10€ Normal Hold'em (9 min)
22:00 10€ Turbo Hold'em (6 min)
23:00 10€ Hyper Hold'em (3 min)

Saturday
20:00 10€ Deepstack PLO (12 min)
21:00 10€ Normal PLO (9 min)
22:00 10€ Turbo PLO (6 min)
23:00 10€ Hyper PLO (3 min)

Sunday
20:00 25€ Deepstack Hold'em (12 min)
21:00 25€ Normal Hold'em (9 min)
22:00 25€ Turbo Hold'em (6 min)
23:00 25€ Hyper Hold'em (3 min)

4 week á 12 tournaments = 48 tournaments total.

Very basic set. I would love to add some PLO8/NLO8 and rebuys, but software does not support them. Some last chance satellites for Sunday events for 4€ and 10 seats guaranteed for low-rollers, too.

Good guaranteeds are needed! There's nothing more lame that "big tournaments" which have guaranteed like 500€. There should be 0 tournaments with less than €1k guaranteed. Marketing is the key. Also hypers should really have 5% rake, tops.

Leaderboard

Friday / Saturday tournaments award points like this:

Spoiler:
1. 40
2. 32
3. 25
4. 20
5. 18
6. 16
7. 14
8. 12
9. 11
10. 10
11-15. 8
16-20. 6
21-30. 4
31-40. 2
41-50. 1


Sunday tournaments award like this, giving incentive to play them as well noting their higher buy-in.

Spoiler:
1. 60
2. 50
3. 40
4. 32
5. 24
6. 20
7. 18
8. 16
9. 14
10. 12
11-15. 10
16-20. 8
21-30. 5
31-40. 3
41-50. 1


Leaderboard prizes I think this should be split in 2 ways, giving people who miss some week chance to play from weekly prizes. Some prizes can be tournament tickets, of course.

Weekly leaderboard (€1000):
1. €300
2. €150
3-5. €100
6-10. €50

Monthly leaderboard (€5000)
1. Unibet Open package (free of choice) + some kind of trophy (everyone loves trophies)
2. 700€
3. 500€
4-5. 300€
6-10. 150€
11-15. 60€
15-20. 30€

Series freeroll

For every 5 tournaments you play, you receive a ticket to multi-entry tournament that has 1,000€ prize pool. Every ticket gives you 1 000 chips starting stack. Blinds are 5 minutes and prizes should be awarded just to around top20.

All additional prizes would mean €10,000 in added prizes.
04-10-2016 , 06:29 AM
I think the duration of the "27" series is fine. I'd start and end on a Sunday. The guarantees should be 500eu minimum and have a few more higher buy ins just to give balance. I think the PLO tourneys are a little too bunched but that's not a huge concern. I don't like the name of the series and think it should be switched.

Unibets philosophy in regards to cash games is excellent as it protects recs and Unibet does their part by lowering rake at low stakes. MTT's are a different beast where I genuinely think rec players don't want to be protected. They want the big prizes and are ok with risking their br to get the reward. Andrew said that traffic was up a lot in MTT's but I think there's an even greater opportunity for growth.
04-10-2016 , 09:47 AM
+1 to FarseerFinland's promo idea. Only having to play Fri/Sat/Sun 4 times in the month sounds great (this could attract multi-siter's who hit n run the series though) because people are most likely to play on weekends so its fair for the non grinder recs.
04-10-2016 , 11:14 AM
Yeah something along the lines of Farseer's idea seems good to me. I suspect you want to support traffic on the quieter days too though so probably better to just have it last 10-14 days though? But yeah THAT is 5000000000000x better than the horrendous 27 promotion which might be the single worst promotion I have ever seen to be honest. I think the 4k€ you're using on that should be more than enough for leaderboard prizes.
04-10-2016 , 12:54 PM
A suggestion:
please let the timer stay after the tourney is finished, so we can see how long did it last (start to finish).
thanks
04-10-2016 , 01:25 PM
Whats the deal with the daily 10 struggling to get players? The daily 4 and 25 do fine in comparison. What about making it the similar multibuyin/chip structure as the daily 4 and bumping up the guarantee to get it more popular? Maybe a cheeky 2 euro satellite as well if there isn't one already.
04-10-2016 , 02:41 PM
Just a small structure recommendation for the 100k point UO freeroll. I get it that this tourney should be rather quick... but is it possible to have the starting chips increased to 2k-3k? 1500 seems a little short for such a nice offering. Please keep this as part of the VIP program as I love the idea and think it's a realistic marker for a lot of recreational players to reach.
04-10-2016 , 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sect7G
Just a small structure recommendation for the 100k point UO freeroll. I get it that this tourney should be rather quick... but is it possible to have the starting chips increased to 2k-3k? 1500 seems a little short for such a nice offering. Please keep this as part of the VIP program as I love the idea and think it's a realistic marker for a lot of recreational players to reach.
I think it is ok as it is already, Just finished my first ever one and it was quite a long game anyway. Took 3hours 15mins from start to finish.
04-11-2016 , 07:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sect7G
Hey James,

Make the move already. I've been here for 8 months or so and haven't even considered moving back. I know you love the niche games but overall I can promise you that you'll be happy on Unibet. (insert refer a friend bonus )
Thanks for the input, bud. I just signed up this morning just because of you but didn't see anywhere to input the referral code options.

Going to make a deposit tonight.

Cheers
04-11-2016 , 11:04 AM
Is there any €1 UO tourneys planned? I got a ticket (which support have kindly extended) but there is never anything running to use it.
04-11-2016 , 12:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm76
is it pos to get more 50 sats for unibet open and more 10 ones aswell? both turbo and normal. there are way to few each day..

And how about unibet open steps?.


And how about bringing back the unibet open online back? 200+20 semi deepstack.?

And a sunday tour for 15k or more a flagship if u will we need that, and ofc sats for all of them..

Hope u will try to help here ..

Nicolas
Normally unibetrep is gonna ask you to post in the mtt thread, i am gonna requote you there, and will post the link here....

i think the flagship is the Sunday Entitled €4K guaranteed (buyin €90), and on saturday the Saturday Stack 4,5K Guaranteed (buyin 100€)

EDIT; Just quoted Nicolas to the right topic
04-11-2016 , 01:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SleazyP84
Is there any €1 UO tourneys planned? I got a ticket (which support have kindly extended) but there is never anything running to use it.
They changed the schedule, but i can't see them either and i have double checked.

According to the new schedule there should be starting a Unibet Open €1 Turbo, every day @ 16:05, 19:05 and 20:05

I think unibet accidently deleted them out of the schedule, and forgot to put them back in the "new" times.

I would be happy if this could be sorted, as i am sitting an some UO1 tickets too now
04-11-2016 , 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kapetain
A suggestion:
please let the timer stay after the tourney is finished, so we can see how long did it last (start to finish).
thanks
+1
04-12-2016 , 03:43 AM
Is it possible to reintroduce a non-turbo €10 UO satellite after the 18.25pm one? I don't really like the turbo €10 satellites structure (personal preference, prefer longer blind structure) and can't play before 19pm (as do alot of people I think). Would be nice to able to play at least 1 normal structured €10 UO satellite each evening.
04-12-2016 , 10:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petermanneke
Is it possible to reintroduce a non-turbo €10 UO satellite after the 18.25pm one? I don't really like the turbo €10 satellites structure (personal preference, prefer longer blind structure) and can't play before 19pm (as do alot of people I think). Would be nice to able to play at least 1 normal structured €10 UO satellite each evening.
+1
04-12-2016 , 12:23 PM
I don't see the €10UO sat at 18:25 cest anymore.
04-12-2016 , 09:48 PM
Leaderboards+1
04-13-2016 , 04:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Bass
I don't really like that 27 promo leaderboard. They are not really tied together, you just have to win one tournament to enter some dumb tournament in which 18% get even paid. Take a look at Winamax leaderboard stuff for example, they are insanely popular and that's why their tournaments do so well. People want to earn points even if they don't win and be rewarded for consistency, that's what makes them come back and play a little bit more. But if you make a tournament series where the catch is that the winner also gets a ticket to some thing where you can maybe win some more it's not anywhere near as attractive. I doubt anyone thinks like "hey, if I win this, how AWESOME would that be, because I'd also get a ticket for some thing in 3 weeks where if I run good I may cash something more!". I mean sure, that'd work if it was some 1M gtd so that would actually be exciting, but 4k GTD with 18% getting paid is nowhere near exciting enough to look forward to for weeks. I understand you have limited resources, and that 4k would be so much better spent creating a top5 or top10 paid leaderboard instead. And half those prizes could easily be Unibet Open online final tickets or something like that which I assume would be further beneficial for you.

edit: The more I think about it the more terrible this promotion is IMO, especially from a recreational point of view. I mean come on, the added bonus here is a freeroll ticket, and to get even that you have to *win* a tournament. You know how hard it is to win a tournament, how much luck it takes? I'm sure most recs think they're the unluckiest in the world because they almost never win. So a chance to also get a *drumroll* freeroll ticket if they happen to win a massive flipfest is not an incentive at all. Look at Ongame, their regular 20€ tournament at 6PM GMT is 100€ gtd. 5 people. Yet they are running a 20€ 4000GTD today. Why? Because their Nyx leaderboard awards points to the top 50. I think maybe top50 is too much personally, but point being, people want a chance to be rewarded for consistency and to get something even if they do well and don't win. That's how leaderboards should work, this 27 thing is just a waste of promotional budget imo. Whatever numbers these things get I'm sure you'd beat them doing this differently.

I don't mean to sound harsh, as I've posted before I really want your site to strive, but I feel rather strongly about this one.
Thanks Chuck, we had a lot of positive feedback about the 27 series and we like to hear negative feedback as well.
Main thing is that you find the 27 not attractive and prefer leaderboards.We will keep this in mind for future MTT promotions.
I am not going to focus too much on other providers, but did you realize they removed their best daily running game for the series and had this €20 game you mentioned instead, which give players no other option than playing that game instead. For our 27 series we didn't remove, but only added games.
04-13-2016 , 04:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OldBurf
Hi UnibetRep,

Played the new 25e turbo deepstack; fun tournament and great structure. However, there were 12 people by the end of late reg and only 2 places paid. IMO it should be 3 people paid at 10 players let alone 11 or 12.

I think this could hinder the chances of the tournament becoming more popular
and may be a reason why other tournaments such as the 50 euro don't get more players.
I understand there is the issue with people exploiting late reg but they are still at a disadvantage compared to the bigger stacks, also to prevent this you could dial back the late reg time.

Andrew talks about "player journeys" and I think anybody arriving late in the 10th/11th/12th spots may be disappointed when they join just to get eliminated by the massive stack. While the people who are in from the start at 2nd/3rd in chips
may feel disappointed if they bust just before the money.

The prizepool was 270e
1st: 180e 66%
2nd: 90e 33%

could be split to something like:
1st:145e 55%
2nd:85e 30%
3rd:40e 15%

In a 9 man its usually 50/30/20. 55/30/15 is still more top heavy than the 9 man and the lower 3rd % here could help deter late reg exploitation, while also providing more of an incentive to play for lesser skilled players. The threshold for 3 players paid just needs bringing down a bit.

Thanks
This has to do with how tournament pay-outs are set up, but I agree it is not optimal for tournaments with small amount of runners. Something to look into thanks!
04-13-2016 , 04:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sect7G
I have to somewhat agree with ChuckBass that the "27 Tourney Series" needs a bit of tweaking in regards to the leaderboard.

I'd love to see UO tickets/package being included.
Is it possible to run a freeroll for the winners while also letting the consistent winners (say top 6) get to play a SNG for a UO package?

For me and I'm sure a lot of others the current format just isn't enticing enough for me to play them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny2192
Like the idea of a 6 man SNG for a package but think it would be fun if 2nd got 20% equity in any win from the UO game and 3rd got 10%

Rather than a winner takes all.
Thanks for the feedback, we will tweak the series in the future
04-13-2016 , 05:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uhrenknecht
If I click the promo link on the 27series in the software I get directed to this https://www.unibet.de/promotions/pok...ankroll-series

where I can see when in january these games run.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petermanneke
In Belgium it shows the february dates: https://nl.unibet.be/promotions/poke...ankroll-series
The links were indeed updated later
04-13-2016 , 05:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
I am also in favor of great tournament series. I mean, I really love to play serieses but "27" didn't give any incentive to play it, really.

Here's a suggestion for good tournament series with your current running. Instead of running series that last every day for whole month, you should choose one out of two. Option 1: Run one 7-14 days series or Option 2: Run series that last whole month, but just in 2-4 days in a week.

Here's one way to go for it, which allows most people to play it with small enough buy-ins and no need to grind every day:

"The Great Spring Weekend Series"

Friday
20:00 10€ Deepstack 12 min (12 min)
21:00 10€ Normal Hold'em (9 min)
22:00 10€ Turbo Hold'em (6 min)
23:00 10€ Hyper Hold'em (3 min)

Saturday
20:00 10€ Deepstack PLO (12 min)
21:00 10€ Normal PLO (9 min)
22:00 10€ Turbo PLO (6 min)
23:00 10€ Hyper PLO (3 min)

Sunday
20:00 25€ Deepstack Hold'em (12 min)
21:00 25€ Normal Hold'em (9 min)
22:00 25€ Turbo Hold'em (6 min)
23:00 25€ Hyper Hold'em (3 min)

4 week á 12 tournaments = 48 tournaments total.

Very basic set. I would love to add some PLO8/NLO8 and rebuys, but software does not support them. Some last chance satellites for Sunday events for 4€ and 10 seats guaranteed for low-rollers, too.

Good guaranteeds are needed! There's nothing more lame that "big tournaments" which have guaranteed like 500€. There should be 0 tournaments with less than €1k guaranteed. Marketing is the key. Also hypers should really have 5% rake, tops.

Leaderboard

Friday / Saturday tournaments award points like this:

Spoiler:
1. 40
2. 32
3. 25
4. 20
5. 18
6. 16
7. 14
8. 12
9. 11
10. 10
11-15. 8
16-20. 6
21-30. 4
31-40. 2
41-50. 1


Sunday tournaments award like this, giving incentive to play them as well noting their higher buy-in.

Spoiler:
1. 60
2. 50
3. 40
4. 32
5. 24
6. 20
7. 18
8. 16
9. 14
10. 12
11-15. 10
16-20. 8
21-30. 5
31-40. 3
41-50. 1


Leaderboard prizes I think this should be split in 2 ways, giving people who miss some week chance to play from weekly prizes. Some prizes can be tournament tickets, of course.

Weekly leaderboard (€1000):
1. €300
2. €150
3-5. €100
6-10. €50

Monthly leaderboard (€5000)
1. Unibet Open package (free of choice) + some kind of trophy (everyone loves trophies)
2. 700€
3. 500€
4-5. 300€
6-10. 150€
11-15. 60€
15-20. 30€

Series freeroll

For every 5 tournaments you play, you receive a ticket to multi-entry tournament that has 1,000€ prize pool. Every ticket gives you 1 000 chips starting stack. Blinds are 5 minutes and prizes should be awarded just to around top20.

All additional prizes would mean €10,000 in added prizes.
Great supportive feedback thanks!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sect7G
I think the duration of the "27" series is fine. I'd start and end on a Sunday. The guarantees should be 500eu minimum and have a few more higher buy ins just to give balance. I think the PLO tourneys are a little too bunched but that's not a huge concern. I don't like the name of the series and think it should be switched.

Unibets philosophy in regards to cash games is excellent as it protects recs and Unibet does their part by lowering rake at low stakes. MTT's are a different beast where I genuinely think rec players don't want to be protected. They want the big prizes and are ok with risking their br to get the reward. Andrew said that traffic was up a lot in MTT's but I think there's an even greater opportunity for growth.
We agree that MTTs are a different beast in general, but caring when liquidity isn’t too big is still needed. There is always greater opportunity for more and that is what we strive for.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OldBurf
+1 to FarseerFinland's promo idea. Only having to play Fri/Sat/Sun 4 times in the month sounds great (this could attract multi-siter's who hit n run the series though) because people are most likely to play on weekends so its fair for the non grinder recs.
The issue with hit and run series also happens with general leaderboard series. Hit and run the big buy-in games is mostly the problem, don’t see a problem with hit and run a weekend series with the lower buy-in as mentioned.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kapetain
A suggestion:
please let the timer stay after the tourney is finished, so we can see how long did it last (start to finish).
thanks
I will fwd your feedback thanks
Quote:
Originally Posted by OldBurf
Whats the deal with the daily 10 struggling to get players? The daily 4 and 25 do fine in comparison. What about making it the similar multibuyin/chip structure as the daily 4 and bumping up the guarantee to get it more popular? Maybe a cheeky 2 euro satellite as well if there isn't one already.
We will look into this game
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sect7G
Just a small structure recommendation for the 100k point UO freeroll. I get it that this tourney should be rather quick... but is it possible to have the starting chips increased to 2k-3k? 1500 seems a little short for such a nice offering. Please keep this as part of the VIP program as I love the idea and think it's a realistic marker for a lot of recreational players to reach.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny2192
I think it is ok as it is already, Just finished my first ever one and it was quite a long game anyway. Took 3hours 15mins from start to finish.
There will not be that much difference between 1.5k and 3k starting apart from more playability at the start, which I think is fair for the players which made it to this 100k point UO freeroll. I have changed it to 3k starting.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SleazyP84
Is there any €1 UO tourneys planned? I got a ticket (which support have kindly extended) but there is never anything running to use it.
They are back up, sorry for the inconvenience caused.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariebombarie
They changed the schedule, but i can't see them either and i have double checked.

According to the new schedule there should be starting a Unibet Open €1 Turbo, every day @ 16:05, 19:05 and 20:05

I think unibet accidently deleted them out of the schedule, and forgot to put them back in the "new" times.

I would be happy if this could be sorted, as i am sitting an some UO1 tickets too now
They are back up
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petermanneke
Is it possible to reintroduce a non-turbo €10 UO satellite after the 18.25pm one? I don't really like the turbo €10 satellites structure (personal preference, prefer longer blind structure) and can't play before 19pm (as do alot of people I think). Would be nice to able to play at least 1 normal structured €10 UO satellite each evening.
I think it is fair to add one non-turbo. Will add one at 20:05 UTC
Quote:
Originally Posted by Turn
I don't see the €10UO sat at 18:25 cest anymore.
Should be running today again thanks
04-13-2016 , 06:18 AM
Thanks UnibetRep!
04-13-2016 , 07:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petermanneke
Thanks UnibetRep!
+1

Thanks for moving the starting stack up to 3k. As you said this won't cause the tourney to run much longer.. maybe 30 minutes max which only affects a handful of people. With 3k starting stacks it increases the playability of all players for the first hour which is a good thing. Nice change.

      
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