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10-10-2013 , 02:28 AM
1. Mental Game of Poker
2. Follow strict BRM. If you need to move back to $3s and re-grind - do it!
3. If you want specific advice for your game, post some hands here and see what happens.
4. Don't follow my advice, I'm a fish just trying out the 18mans and I had no idea what ICM is 5 days ago.

Last edited by Wisher; 10-10-2013 at 02:28 AM. Reason: Mental != Metal
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10-11-2013 , 07:57 PM
If anyone currently has a worse DS than this in terms of buyins, I'd love to see it.

670 BI, $49 ABI, 22,400ish games, -$30k



I have the redline turned off because it's a drug habit that I'm trying to break, but last time I saw it, it was around -0.3%
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10-11-2013 , 08:02 PM
i cant understand this

either you runned insanely hot in the past, either you will

gl man
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10-11-2013 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by belthazorrrrr
i cant understand this

either you runned insanely hot in the past, either you will

gl man
Or... you didn't and you wont.



Gross run man, that can't be fun.
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10-11-2013 , 09:15 PM
So i checked around in ROI Sim and it's just sick. If you have a true ROI of exactly 0 over a sample of 60k games (yes 60,000), you can expect a DS of 700 BI 7% of the time. BUT if your true ROI is just half a percent lower at -0.5, you can expect a 700 BI DS 30% of the time and a 1000 BI DS 5% of the time! And god help you if your true ROI is -1% because you will have a 700 BI DS 70% of the time, 1000 BI DS 30% of the time, and 1350 BI 5% of the time.

So, before you start jumping into high stakes hypers you better have a pretty good idea of where you're at, because with a $100 ABI, it's not hard to have a neg ROI, and going on a 1000 BI DS with a $100 ABI would not be fun.

Hope this enlightened people on how easy it is to run super bad because it sure did for me.
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10-11-2013 , 09:49 PM
what did you use for simulate?
it seems really higher % than what i was thinking , god 700BI are alot a lot///

gl
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10-11-2013 , 10:32 PM
ROI simulator

http://temp-share.com/show/FHK49Ezi6

There's a tutorial on how to use it on youtube.
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10-11-2013 , 11:11 PM
thank you , i have the file but didnt know there is a youtube tuto!
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10-12-2013 , 03:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SandmanNess
If anyone currently has a worse DS than this in terms of buyins, I'd love to see it.

670 BI, $49 ABI, 22,400ish games, -$30k
Gross mann, hold your head up high!
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10-12-2013 , 06:39 AM
lol redline. you nerds.
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10-12-2013 , 08:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SandmanNess
If anyone currently has a worse DS than this in terms of buyins, I'd love to see it.
****ing hell man. How do you cope with this?
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10-12-2013 , 09:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SandmanNess
And god help you if your true ROI is -1% because you will have a 700 BI DS 70% of the time, 1000 BI DS 30% of the time, and 1350 BI 5% of the time.
Thats not that weird right you'll go broke 100% of the time over an large enough sample. (pre rb that is) :P
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10-12-2013 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sokz
Thats not that weird right you'll go broke 100% of the time over an large enough sample. (pre rb that is) :P
Yeah of course, but the point is that there are many players playing high stakes hypers that have a neg ROI long term that don't think that having a 1k buy in DS is possible. Sure, you can offset some with RB, but it's not about what you keep in your account, it's about your mindset after you just lose consistently for the amount of time it takes to play 60k games. Most people don't have the willpower to watch their pre rb results drop 40-60k over a 60k game period and continue to play.
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10-12-2013 , 03:26 PM
fifty50 bubble



    Poker Stars, $14.31 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19949441

    BTN: 1,545 (3.9 bb)
    SB: 1,875 (4.7 bb)
    BB: 1,565 (3.9 bb)
    UTG: 5 (0 bb)
    Hero (MP): 9,600 (24 bb)
    CO: 410 (1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 3 4
    UTG folds and is all-in, Hero raises to 9,550 and is all-in, CO calls 360 and is all-in, BTN calls 1,495 and is all-in, SB calls 1,625 and is all-in, BB calls 1,115 and is all-in

    Flop: (7,275) 4 K 6 (5 players, 7 are all-in)
    Turn: (7,275) A (5 players, 7 are all-in)
    River: (7,275) 2 (5 players, 7 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 7,275 pot
    Final Board: 4 K 6 A 2
    BTN showed 8 8 and lost (-1,545 net)
    SB showed A 7 and lost (-1,875 net)
    BB showed T A and lost (-1,565 net)
    Hero showed 3 4 and won 7,275 (5,400 net)
    CO showed K 9 and lost (-410 net)



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
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    10-12-2013 , 04:35 PM
    6max hyper bubble, do not try to bully me.

      Poker Stars, $57.66 Buy-in (20/40 blinds, 4 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19950311

      BTN: 563 (14.1 bb)
      SB: 1,472 (36.8 bb)
      Hero (BB): 965 (24.1 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with T 3
      BTN folds, SB raises to 1,468 and is all-in, Hero calls 921 and is all-in

      Flop: (1,934) 4 J T (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: (1,934) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: (1,934) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: 1,934 pot
      Final Board: 4 J T 9 4
      SB showed 3 3 and lost (-965 net)
      Hero showed T 3 and won 1,934 (969 net)



      Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
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      10-12-2013 , 04:57 PM
      run it up!
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      10-12-2013 , 06:14 PM
      I'm just sick of it.

      Why does this have to happen to me when I move up? I had 100 buyins, comfortable at the level, just as many idiots at the table. I cannot win a hand, nothing holds up. Every standard shove spot leads to the BB waking up with AA/KK/AK. When I get KK, it's nearly always vs AA. Other times KK loses to QQ, AK, JJ. AA's cracked for lols every session. I'm on the verge of quitting, every hard earned bit of profit I've grinded out for months lost in 2 weeks



      If this continues I'm going to be joining the riggies. At least it'll be good for a laugh, this is just plain horrific.
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      10-12-2013 , 07:46 PM
      At least you dont run like me
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      10-12-2013 , 07:46 PM
      You could also try to get that EV up instead of whining

      Last edited by Sauron92; 10-12-2013 at 07:47 PM. Reason: sigh, simul post
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      10-12-2013 , 08:06 PM
      Oh crap KK vs aa and QQ loses to TT you can't beat jokerstars

      Spoiler:
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      10-12-2013 , 08:13 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Winston O Boogie
      I'm just sick of it.

      Why does this have to happen to me when I move up? I had 100 buyins, comfortable at the level, just as many idiots at the table. I cannot win a hand, nothing holds up. Every standard shove spot leads to the BB waking up with AA/KK/AK. When I get KK, it's nearly always vs AA. Other times KK loses to QQ, AK, JJ. AA's cracked for lols every session. I'm on the verge of quitting, every hard earned bit of profit I've grinded out for months lost in 2 weeks



      If this continues I'm going to be joining the riggies. At least it'll be good for a laugh, this is just plain horrific.
      Let me know when you add another 500 BI to it. If you came here to complain about a 100 BI DS, you'll never get any sympathy here.
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      10-12-2013 , 09:05 PM
      come on he moved up2 the 5s and lost a hundo buyins, maybe cut the du some slack
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      10-12-2013 , 10:48 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by SandmanNess
      Let me know when you add another 500 BI to it. If you came here to complain about a 100 BI DS, you'll never get any sympathy here.
      LOL.

      I know, sorry man-- I'm sure my miniscule stakes make my whining a joke to many of you. But I had to vent somewhere. This is my first taste of the dark side of poker.

      I'm already feeling better and will go back on the grind again tomorrow.

      One thing I have learnt from this however... which I don't believe many guides/advice/books have prepared me for: is that 100 buyins is in no way secure as I was advised. Certainly not for a 5%ish ROI grinder. Once I'm back on my feet I will probably operate on a 200 buyin policy from now on.
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      10-12-2013 , 10:49 PM
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      Originally Posted by TomoDaK
      come on he moved up2 the 5s and lost a hundo buyins, maybe cut the du some slack
      Thanks man, the $6's actually.

      Again-- sure it's chicken feed to most of you, but I've literally just lost months of hard grinded profit in the last 2 weeks. So I was very tilted earlier.
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      10-12-2013 , 10:56 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Winston O Boogie
      This is my first taste of the dark side of poker.
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