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***OFFICIAL Stars 2015 MTT Discussion Thread*** ***OFFICIAL Stars 2015 MTT Discussion Thread***

03-18-2015 , 08:40 PM
Can you take a look in 27 4max, Bryan? 10:45 ET

This mtt is dying, what about make it 27$ 6max ko? Gonna still being shorthanded, 27$ and will be a unic tournament in all your scheduled!


And, u guys are talking about second chances for 1Ks? And maybe, just maybe, have any chances of running something like 109~55 2 days in saturday too?
03-18-2015 , 08:46 PM
dissapointing comments again

no reaction about

improving sattelite options
b215
ignoring the 2nd ch in 1k events, yet everyone is telling you it's a great idea
special tournament everyday
red rebuys on sundayyy
etc etc

come on step your game up :s
03-18-2015 , 10:13 PM
please remove the cap from the 55 6max turbo at around 11pm cet (4pm et or thereeabouts) dont see the reason to keep this mtt from hitting 50k prizepools on big days like sundays i am sure it would be a success.
03-18-2015 , 10:59 PM
hot $27 seems like it would do well in a whole variety of schedule slots
03-18-2015 , 11:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
I'll mention this to the software guys as an idea and see what they think of this. In the meantime, did you know that you can do this in your Windows toolbar? You've got to hover over the time to see them all, but it works and I find it useful.
thanks alot i wasn't aware. i will use this instead.

hopefully we will hear more news about the big 215/2day highstakes at 11et soon
03-19-2015 , 12:44 AM
its good to see that some of the suggestions are being taken to heart and implemented.

Really excited about the saturday 2 day tournament that will eventually be added, although i wish you guys had embraced my suggestion of running 3 2days at the same time of 11 dollar say 50k gtd, 109 200k gtd, and a 700 to 1k with preference on 1k 400k gtd, make em 7 maxes for more fun. while a high stakes 2 day mtt definitely makes me happy, launching 3 at the same time across buyins would have really brought the excitement back to what used to be the 2nd biggest day online historically.

The key point i'm trying to get across as i look at the stars schedule is that you guys have often placed 3-5 low stakes mtts all starting at the same timeslot or within 15 min of each other all over the schedule, but you seem really hesitant to do the same with mid and high stakes tournaments. I really think the schedule can support multiple mid and high stakes tournaments starting at the same time or shortly after each other. for example, people used to get excited about playing the 100 rebuy but once they reg that , what else can that player play for the next hour. even the most conservative multi tabler wants to have 4-5 tables going at the same time....Which leads me to my next suggestion:

super tuesday, thursday thrill, and even the new 2 day saturday events really need 2nd chances. I'd throw guarantees on them too..something like half the gtd of the main event to make them something significant. It is clear that tue and thursdays are bigger than any of the other days of the week. Might as well add more to the schedule on these days anyways to satisfy the appetites of the grinders online. tue, thur, and sat could prob all support another 4-10 high stakes tournaments if you wanted to add them.

Still wish the hole between 11:00EST and 1:00pm est would be addressed. there is nothing after the big 75 and the 265k and before late reg ends on the 100 rebuy. please throw a big 215 on the schedule here. would fit perfect and get grinders online earlier. Schedule could also hold a big 82 pretty easily also. there is room to throw a few tournaments here in these slots and not just one imo.

Start treating the mid and high stakes schedule as something different from the lower stakes schedule and address it as such. there is no glut on the schedule from a high stakes perspective and i'm not that fond of the mid stakes schedule tbh although could agree that maybe some in this area that could be changed to become better.

320 6max. really wish you would make this a red tournament and throw a 50-60k gtd on it which it could sustain as a red tournament. change it to 7 or 8 max if you are worried about it making a gtd.

something i think would be sick would be to have a hyper 215 or 320 deepstack on the schedule. the 320 hyper sattys towards the end of the day to epts always do really well.

also big hole in the schedule from 430pm est to 630 pm est, wish you would make some additions here also.

things i wish stars would revisit but probably won't

-having dynamic daily gtds on its daily tournaments. i mean if you wanna make them the same on mon, wed, fri, fine, but gtds should be adjusted on reds, bigs, hots on tue, thur, sat, and sun to push those as the super mtt days of the week and can't miss grind days. historical data has shown having dynamic gtds on popular tournaments on popular days leads to an organic increase of 10-20% over the increased gtd. you can look at the 600 volcano and 162 croc on 888 as recent examples where the data supports this.

anotherwords, say the big 109 is struggling on mon and fri...instead of lowering it to 80k on every day of the week, my strategy would have you make it 80k on mon and fridays, and even on weds if u want..then on tues and saturdays i would make it 120k and on thursdays make it 100k, and then on tue and saturdays, it would prob do 130-145 and on thursays it would do about 110-120 all because of the dynamic listed gtds with nothing else done. i'm positive that i can show with data that this method has to be far superior to what is currently being done both in generating more revenue for stars and in making the customer more happy and satisfied with no additional spend on customer from stars. seems win win imo. also as long as a tournament is making good profit on the week, stars should look at some overlays as being a great driver in getting those people online on those slow days in the first place and i think there is not enough credit giving to how giving overlays to customers sometimes leads to customers being very loyal and returning more often, prob more than enough to offset anything being paid out in said overlay. really wish you guys would give this decision another look. I also still stand by my arguement that lowering the gtd to the lowest point in the week drives participation down in the tournament as a whole.

so in summary....

super tue thur thrill sat 2 day 2nd chances
add even more tournaments to tue, thur, sat schedule
plug holes from 11:00 to 1:00 est and 4:30 to 6:30 est in high stakes schedule
big 82, big 215, big 320, and if u wanna really dig what i'm saying hot 82 hot 215 hot 320
best candidate for big 320 is 320 6max, convert to 7 or 8 max and throw 60k gtd on it

wishlist

sunday morning starts off really slow..not much after kickoff for a few hours...would love some additions here.

Satelitte system should be expanded immensely. every tue there would be a 50 seat gtd super tue, same for thur thril etc and so forth..run feeders into the mega seat gtds..run a bunch of 82 and 109 regular sats all week long as well. people love the chance to win their way in for cheaper..
03-19-2015 , 12:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blakkman08
please remove the cap from the 55 6max turbo at around 11pm cet (4pm et or thereeabouts) dont see the reason to keep this mtt from hitting 50k prizepools on big days like sundays i am sure it would be a success.
+1
03-19-2015 , 01:42 AM
all of that stuff jdpc27 just said , +1000
03-19-2015 , 02:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdpc27

sunday morning starts off really slow..not much after kickoff for a few hours...would love some additions here.
Maybe a Sunday Deepstack or a Sunday Shootout?
03-19-2015 , 04:37 AM
cleaning up the nightly schedule: tips, by asjbaaaf

$4.40 750 gtd 21.45 ET tournament seems un needd
$3.30 8max $500 20.45 ET same thing
$11 2r1a and $4.40 2r1a no guarentees 20.45 ET just pointless tourns
remove all those^ and change the $11 1.5k at 21.15 ET into a red $11 10k "nightly 10k"
16.50 turbo at 2200 ET without a guarentee could be given a guarentee and have the structure/late reg etc updated
$22 big antes 500 cap at 22,45 et cancels alot iirc, unpopular format, could just be a nice $22 2k
$4.40 8max 1000cap $500gtd 22.45 et remove tourney or remove cap imo
$55 4max 23 45 ET could be made into that hyper deep 4max thing, pretty much every single 4max freezeout over $27 should be imo
$55 cubed 00:15 ET 2k guarenteed would probcheck if this can sustain 3k or higher
$5.50 ante up $0gtd 00.45 ET cancelled, unpopular, would remove
$3r 6max turbo $1k gtd 1.30 ET would change it to the new cubed turbo 6max format

Last edited by Asjbaaaf; 03-19-2015 at 04:43 AM.
03-19-2015 , 05:20 AM
Is there a chance to put the new 11$ psko @ 17:30 ET 2 hours earlier? it would be nice to have it closer to the big 11$ and the 11$ 12k
03-19-2015 , 06:28 AM
#hirebaaaf
03-19-2015 , 06:59 AM
Bryan, just hire a couple of the highest volume, widest buyin-range grinders to run through the schedule and produce a one off report on dead games/suggestions/proposed schedule etc

You'll have most bases covered for the immediate future and a lot of info in one place to refer too rather than dig through a huge thread of random grinders posting, reposting and moaning about stuff.

These people play day in and day out so have at least as much knowledge on the current schedule as whoever is reviewing it now. But critically also have a load of experience in playing the games, and bring a perspective that someone sat in an office looking at prizepools all day cant do.

Im sure you wouldn't have to pay that much as a consulting fee. The opportunity to get some more changes made for the better would probably be motivation enough for people who play a full schedule most days.

Its not definitive, but for little to no risk, I cant see how the benefits would not be huge for both players and stars.

Last edited by fivetypes; 03-19-2015 at 07:04 AM. Reason: words
03-19-2015 , 09:07 AM
#fixthenight #big215 #sunday2dayer #2ndchancesin1ks or"Little"
03-19-2015 , 09:23 AM
How is there not a daily 109 pko six max.... this is insane.... With as much respect as possible are we trying here or on auto pilot?
03-19-2015 , 10:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
cleaning up the nightly schedule: tips, by asjbaaaf

$4.40 750 gtd 21.45 ET tournament seems un needd
This tournament also has a weird 8-minute blind structure, yet is labelled the exact same as every other regular-speed tournament. Either the structure should be changed (either make it 10 minutes for an actual reg-speed, or 5 minutes and make it a turbo), or you need to change the label. I would prefer a change to the structure either way.

Quote:
$3.30 8max $500 20.45 ET same thing
$4.40 8max 1000cap $500gtd 22.45 et remove tourney or remove cap imo
I used to really enjoy these tournaments. I know it was before Black Friday, but the $3.30 used to get over 800 players on Friday nights with $500 for first. Even after Black Friday it used to be a fairly decent size (guessing 400 to 500 players, but I would have to check my records). Over the last year or two it has gotten smaller and smaller, to the point where there are hardly 250 players. I usually skip these tournaments now unless I am really bored (or on tilt).
03-19-2015 , 11:08 AM
at the start of this list it should say

Quote:
Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
cleaning up the nightly schedule: tips, by asjbaaaf

$9.90 360 cap $0 gtd 21.45 ET remove this
$4.40 750 gtd 21.00 ET tournament seems un needd
$3.30 8max $500 20.45 ET same thing
$11 2r1a and $4.40 2r1a no guarentees 20.45 ET just pointless tourns
remove all those^ and change the $11 1.5k at 21.15 ET into a red $11 10k "nightly 10k"
16.50 turbo at 2200 ET without a guarentee could be given a guarentee and have the structure/late reg etc updated
$22 big antes 500 cap at 22,45 et cancels alot iirc, unpopular format, could just be a nice $22 2k
$4.40 8max 1000cap $500gtd 22.45 et remove tourney or remove cap imo
$55 4max 23 45 ET could be made into that hyper deep 4max thing, pretty much every single 4max freezeout over $27 should be imo
$55 cubed 00:15 ET 2k guarenteed would probcheck if this can sustain 3k or higher
$5.50 ante up $0gtd 00.45 ET cancelled, unpopular, would remove
$3r 6max turbo $1k gtd 1.30 ET would change it to the new cubed turbo 6max format
thanks for your time

Last edited by Asjbaaaf; 03-19-2015 at 11:35 AM. Reason: hopefully i got all the details correct but shouldnt be hard to find the comps im referring to
03-19-2015 , 11:34 AM
whats wrong with the 1$R 3x-Turbo?

After being 60k$ GTD for years it went from 50 to 40k recently, then got upped by you to 50k$ and now it's 44k? Did it really had an overlay? can't believe that.
03-19-2015 , 11:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rounder63
#2ndchancesin1ks or"Little"
hahahaha what a great attempt at a hashtag
03-19-2015 , 11:55 AM
Little thrill 109 prsko - AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY.

Daily 109 prsko 6/8/9 max, whatever just do it.

Kill and remove all those dead tournies baaf mentioned or change them up significantly. Do the same for any tourney without a guarantee. Crazy how many dead and crap tourneys still pollute the stars schedule after all these years.

More midstakes tourneys. Will never understand how the monsoon on 888 runs with a bigger guarantee than the 55 7.5k. This is Pokerstars, the biggest site in the world.

Same things goes for the rebuy tourneys. MAKE THEM RED. The 3r, 11r, 33r and 55r. Rec players and regs alike see the red colour and flock to these tournaments. Otherwise the 33r is lost among the schedule and competely reg filled with a rubbish guarantee just like the 55r.

Anyway I don't know what else to say, doesn't seem to make a huge difference when certain things are so obvious.

Bryan, pls explain an answer to two questions: why no little thrill/2nd chance to sat 2 day or Super Tuesday? What is the reason for this? We need to know the reason.
2nd question: why no red rebuys? It doesn't dillute the red brand and u already have a 109 sunday rebuy so why not on other days? Pls answer these questions.
03-19-2015 , 11:57 AM
$22 big antes $500 gtd at 11.30 ET should just be scrapped imo, cluttering schedule/boring comp/small prizepool
03-19-2015 , 12:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Transcendence
More midstakes tourneys. Will never understand how the monsoon on 888 runs with a bigger guarantee than the 55 7.5k. This is Pokerstars, the biggest site in the world.
Big 75 is 600 runners at 10ET. Hot 33 is 1200 runners. 8r is 800 runners. $21 SKO is 1100 runners. The 265ko is 150 runners.

The Monsoon is run 4 hours later at peak hours and is the only tournament from $22 to $100 on 888 over a two hour stretch. Even still it only gets 300-400 players.

So you are asking how the 6th biggest tournament on Stars in the 10ET hour is smaller than that biggest midstakes tournament of the day on 888?

This is the type of disingenuous comments that makes Bryan skip/ignore. I'm sure he privately rolls his eyes when he reads this type of stuff.
03-19-2015 , 12:42 PM
If Stars is going to make any new 'red' promoted formats it is not going to be rebuys and 100% definitely going to be KOs.

Just look at how these new PSKOs do. They plop one on the schedule with a 2k GTD and it blows up anyway. It does that because thats what players want to play. If they added a random 22r in the middle of the day with a 2k GTD on it, it wouldn't go anywhere because we the players wouldn't play it.

Lets face it, the Age of the Rebuy has long been fading. Rebuys don't even play like Rebuys anymore. They are just tournaments with deep structures that you can reenter rake free. Instead of trying to save what is already dead we should try to push for events that will get recs to pile their money onto the site and click Register. If that is KOs, then we should be fighting for KOs that work in our favor.
03-19-2015 , 12:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
$22 big antes $500 gtd at 11.30 ET should just be scrapped imo, cluttering schedule/boring comp/small prizepool
and is in the same time of a lot good low mtts like 8c and 13 ko. No reason to 22 big antes still there
03-19-2015 , 02:16 PM
13.15 ET $11 5k at 9k prizepool

      
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