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02-18-2015 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
1h after hot 44? no thanks

timeslot of the 2nd 16.5 turbo seems fine then, will take long enough already
that was my first thought but there's 55 6-max cap turbo, so they obv can't exist both and it has a wonderful structure to be replaced
02-18-2015 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
Seriously the hot 8?

[spoiler] Reason: There is already a hot 7.5 come on [/spoiler]
Yeah but then not everybody has the same time zone. Hot 7.50 starts at 4am for me and the slot between 08:15 to 10:30 ET there are not much turbos tournament at that slot so a hot $8.80 would be great or even a non red 7.50 turbo. Come on there are two $7.50 turbo tournaments within 30 mins and you dont have problem with that but you have problem with hot 8 :/
02-18-2015 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Erebgil_bg
that was my first thought but there's 55 6-max cap turbo, so they obv can't exist both and it has a wonderful structure to be replaced
maybe switch places then with the first 16.5 turbo then. it wouldn't take much longer than the usual turbo's at that timeslot pbb, so would smoothly fit in i guess
02-18-2015 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by user12345
Quite a lot of countries anyway.
Maybe you would be able Bryan to shift it week forward or week behind.
And have it interfere with International Day Against Police Brutality or National Pig Day? No thanks.
02-18-2015 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rusemandingo
And have it interfere with International Day Against Police Brutality or National Pig Day? No thanks.
pretty fun coincidence that these are both celebrated on the same day

Last edited by LostOstrich; 02-18-2015 at 12:12 PM. Reason: oh, they're not. Guess they're completely unrelated!
02-18-2015 , 12:21 PM
This is clearly a part of the global conspiracy to make sure that poker remains a male-dominated arena.

It is now apparent that Pokerstars are at the heart of this by deliberately launching their flagship tournament in the same week as International Women's Day and thus the two things overlap once every 7 years.

And also Russia which doesn't celebrate Father's Day traditionally on a Sunday like most other countries but rather it's a fixed date, and it so happens to be on a Monday this year so every male can conveniently play the Sunday Million this weekend and then take Monday off.
02-18-2015 , 02:28 PM
Hey Bryan, why not make the 44$ 6max 14:15 BRT ( 15min after big 8 ) into 54 psko?

I guess a lot of regs and almost every rec skip this tournament, i never play this, but i just cant wait to play 54 psko 6max.
02-18-2015 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FlipMaster08
Hey Bryan, why not make the 44$ 6max 14:15 BRT ( 15min after big 8 ) into 54 psko?

I guess a lot of regs and almost every rec skip this tournament, i never play this, but i just cant wait to play 54 psko 6max.
Best suggestion ever. Pls do this Bryan! Think i have played the 44 6 max once in my life. I would play the 54 prsko 6max daily without a doubt, as would most regs and plenty of recs..
02-18-2015 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePheres
Very nice one! You could also do more 16.50 turbo PSKO's!
I like them, everybody loves a PSKO!
After much discussion, we're changing it to an $11 PSKO. This will be a slight shift from $16.50, but it will address the PSKO buy-in gap between $4.40 and $27, change up the tournament so that we don't have two identical tournaments running an hour apart, spice up the 17:30 ET tournament, keep it from being too similar to the one at 17:15 (6-Max, $27 Turbo PSKO), etc. Many birds killed with a single stone. I'm looking forward to seeing the reception of the new $11 at 17:30.

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Originally Posted by blakkman08
So there's a gap between 27 and 1050 so obv add a 16.50.....?

The statement in itself calls for a 55/109 psko obv. And Jesus please please please make the 320 Saturday thing progressive
There's more than one gap. We're addressing the gap between $27 and $1,050, as well. As for the Saturday Super-Knockout, you won't get any argument from me when it comes to making it a PSKO. I'm bringing that up with the other tourney guys soon to see what they think. (I'm responsible for the main schedule, but I do discuss things with colleagues.)

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Originally Posted by fcs_82
The Hot umbrella would now look like this:
(...)
This wouldn't take major shifting or additional tournaments and would keep the integrity and pattern of the umbrella. I think this could work.
I'm not promising anything, but I will say that I copied your entire post and sent it to myself in an email for future consideration. Thank you for taking the time to carefully consider the Hot turbos, possible improvements to them, and to present it all so concisely and clearly... very much appreciated!

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Originally Posted by FlipMaster08
Hey Bryan, why not make the 44$ 6max 14:15 BRT ( 15min after big 8 ) into 54 psko? I guess a lot of regs and almost every rec skip this tournament, i never play this, but i just cant wait to play 54 psko 6max.
I'll take a look at this. I don't see any reason to change the total buy-in from $44, though. We use $44 throughout the schedule, and increasing the buy-in would just confuse people who show up frequently to play this particular tournament. Making it more attractive and/or fun by changing it into a Progressive Super-Knockout (and addressing the gap from $27 to the higher buy-ins) is an interesting idea, though... certainly something to think about trying out. Thank you for the suggestion!
02-18-2015 , 04:04 PM
news on the 27tko's with no gtds?
02-18-2015 , 04:10 PM
So just make it 44 PSKO 6max, better yet for low/mid guys like me.

Thanks for feedback, gonna wait for more news about that.
02-18-2015 , 04:59 PM
bryan on saturdays change the 11$ withered and depleted deepstack around big 22 time into a 2 day 55 with a modest 5-10k guaranteee just as a trial. im pretty sure a day 55 deepstack starting mid saturday and ending sunday evening (before midnight) could easily command a 100k guarantee.
02-18-2015 , 05:09 PM
Thanks for the reply Bryan. Both the 54ko as well as the 44 6max would be great as PSKOs imo. Also the 54 turbo KO at peak time/ the 109 reentry come to mind
02-18-2015 , 05:56 PM
While I want more midstakes PSKOs, I do love the two 54kos (turbo and reg speed) that run during peak and would much rather see additional PSKOs added and these kept
02-18-2015 , 06:10 PM
fine witht that too obv
02-18-2015 , 11:24 PM
Please don't change the saturday 320. Its a lot of fun as is and not everyone likes PSKOs
02-19-2015 , 03:49 AM
i've been trying to keep up with this thread, but its direction shifts often so not sure if i'm completely caught up or not. I'll repeat suggestions i've made in the 2014 thread right before it was closed.

Ways to improve the mtt schedule immediately

big hole after the big 75 and 265ko at 7:15am pst and until 100 rebuy at 9:00am pst. this results in a lot of players skipping these first two tournaments and late regging 100 rebuy at like 9:45am. immediate improvement opportunity to add a couple mid to high stakes tournaments between 8:00 am and 9:30am pst. you could put one at 8:00 or 8:30 and the other at 9:00 or 9:30 imo.

key to note here that hour blocks in the schedule can support more than one mid or high stakes tourney and big gaps in the schedule just kill that part of schedule.

ideas for the some tournies in the 8:00-9:30am block: hot 215 / big 215, big 82 / hot 82 hyper, 109 turbo with 35k gtd. other ideas: 100 plus 100 bounty, 50 rebuy with good gtd..anything fun basically

you could also throw a gimmick 109 turbo in this slot..start it at 10k gtd and every day gtd is met, gtd grows 1k until it finally isn't met and then gtd locks in at that amount for a month.

next biggest issue on the schedule is the daily 320. imo, you should make this more of a daily flagship tournament. i'd put a red color on it and make it the big 320. alternate between 6 max and 8 max daily. make a bunch of sattelites that feed into it and make it a big deal. people want to play this touranment, but currently with a small gtd, the recs stay away mostly and the regs late reg it just cuz they are bored and want somethign with at least 8k for first. this could be a huge daily tournament and should be.

now i understand these first two requests are asking you to add to the hot / big brands and i know you are hesitant to do this because you think it will dilute the hot / big brands. however, i disagree. I think people love the bigs and the hots and look to build there daily schedules off of them and then add in whatever else they can find that fits how many tables they play at a time, the type of buy in, etc.

I actually search a bunch of regs daily just to see what they are playing because i am bored and looking for tournaments to play and I often see the same thing when searchign them, that they are playing sng's, 18 mans, 45 mans, and even in really low buy in tournies that i would never normally see them in. This is because most of us are literally screaming at the screen for stars to add more mid stakes / high stakes tournaments with good prizepools and fix some of the ones currently being slaughtered with how they are scheduled / ran. As much as we are being brought up in a multi tasking world of technology nowadays, i think its almost laughable that stars doesn't put a few tournaments together in the same timeslot. We are more than capable of playing the 100 rebuy and something else at 9:00as pst..pretty sure a majority of players agree with this.

I think if you actually fill out the bigs / hots and put respectable guarantees on them, people will just be even more loyal and basically the hots / bigs becomes the majority of their daily schedule filled out with some supplemental tournies, satties, sng's etc Instead, i think what happens currently is during some of our daily grind, we get bored because of these holes in the stars schedule and we start firing up other poker sites, looking for the best mid to high stakes tourney we can find to add to our screen to fill out our schedule. tbh, i hate doing this..having multiple software up on the screen...i'd much prefer to just have it all on stars with some fill in from tilt, but you guys almost force me to look elsewhere.

third biggest issue is the lull after the 109 cubed at 1:30pm pst and until the 215 turbo at 3:30pm pst. I'd throw some mid stakes and high stakes tournaments at 2:00pm pst and 3:00 pm pst to keep people interested in grinding later. while you are at it, you could throw another tournament at same time as big 162, say a 109 or something with 40k gtd and people would love it.

Other immediate ideas that I think players would love. Have a 2nd chance version of some big birds. for example, one hour after super tuesday is super tuesday 2nd chance 500 buy in or 320 buy in. on thur one hour after thursday thrill is thrill 2nd chance with 500 total buy in. since it is only done for a few tournies that only occurr once a week, it wouldn't be overkill and people would appreciate having another chance to make money after busting the bigger tournament.

finally, saturday is a day i want to address for a long time. it really needs a 2 day tournament .something with 1k buyin, could be 500 if need be, but i like 1k personally. starts on saturday ends on sunday.

I truly think that stars has no idea what the true hunger and demand is for mid to high stakes tournaments on a daily basis and how players and player numbers would respond if they implemented some of these ideas.

JD
02-19-2015 , 03:59 AM
Great post, agree a 100%
02-19-2015 , 04:12 AM
Will stars ever change HORSE/THORSEHO MTTs to # of hands instead of timed levels?
02-19-2015 , 04:17 AM
$16t that starts at 7.15am uk time has a structure thats a bit too quick, specially if u late reg
02-19-2015 , 06:57 AM
From a pov that's just as egoistical as the poster's who posted the long post about hsmtts I have to disagree with some suggestions.

While adding sth between b75 and the 265 is fine, adding a 109 at b162 will very likely make both MTTs very mediocre. I understand the poster wants more MTTs to play but a lot of the fields can't/ won't afford both so will end up picking. Just look at the super bowly 5quads and what happened to them since there are too many. Same goes for the 500$ second chances. I would love to see some 109 second chances as the likelihood of them cutting into the big papa mtt is way less but a 500 would be a reggy bowl without or a massive competition to the major with satellites both of which miss the purpose of implementing it.
02-19-2015 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by blakkman08
From a pov that's just as egoistical as the poster's who posted the long post about hsmtts I have to disagree with some suggestions.

While adding sth between b75 and the 265 is fine, adding a 109 at b162 will very likely make both MTTs very mediocre. I understand the poster wants more MTTs to play but a lot of the fields can't/ won't afford both so will end up picking. Just look at the super bowly 5quads and what happened to them since there are too many. Same goes for the 500$ second chances. I would love to see some 109 second chances as the likelihood of them cutting into the big papa mtt is way less but a 500 would be a reggy bowl without or a massive competition to the major with satellites both of which miss the purpose of implementing it.
+1, run the 2nd chance 530 or 320 without a guarantee like WCOOP does for a couple weeks and let's see where your players can take those guarantees. this is the best way to add these tourneys without worrying about cannibalizing its big brother, stars won't do it otherwise.
02-19-2015 , 06:46 PM
new turbo structures are great. can you change $11 14k, 10:45 UK time too
02-19-2015 , 06:54 PM
320/530 second chance gonna cannibalize the main event imho. Guess 109 is better.
02-19-2015 , 07:46 PM
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