We need an another PCA sat on saturday. a 700 or 500 earlier in the day along with the weekender and SKO. Right now all there is is a 200 cube that starts late and a really late 320 hyper that never runs. The hyper should be moved an hour or two earlier as well.

not sure if this should go here or the pca thread btw but please make sure whoever is in charge of pca sats sees it

weekender needs a longer time bank too, +10 seconds every hour isnt enough

The disclaimer that you have to bink the two daily doubles on the same day with the same buy in changes it from absurdly improbable to nearly impossible

I mean I get that you don't actually wanna give away a million bucks but come on

looking forward to knowing more about new daily series

Daily double is a ridiculous promotion on stars. This worked well as a weekly promotion with a progressive jackpot on a smaller network, but as a one week promotion on a network as big as stars it's just absurd.
I guess stars just figured this is a nice way to appear to do a promotion without actually having to spend any money.

They should modify it where you get different prizes for cashing in both at the same time. I think FTP did this. Top 100 in both gets a better prize, etc. Gives some real motivation to play.

im just happy we have an extra tournament or two to play for 2 weeks. given the last couple of years idk what you expect...

Well, if we give the 1$ a field of 10,000 and the 11$ a field of 6,000 playing both every day, they will generate about (1200+6800)*2 = 16000$ (some people will only play one), with the chance of somebody winning both at about 1:12000 and 1:6800, they effectively give back 83$ and 147$. But the chances are in reality a lot bigger that someone binks both, because the best players in those fields might have a chance closer to 1:1000 to win. I'd guess on a daily basis it's about 1:4000 and 1:2500 that someone wins both, which is 250$ and 400$ worth of EV.

Meh I thought it'd be higher. A million dollars is a lot of added value for a 1$ or 11$ tournament, but it's extremely unlikely it'll be hit in the entire week at all. If the fields turn out to be smaller than I described it'll be better value, but with these estimates it comes down to about 4% of rakeback EV for the average player, with the vast majority of that EV going to better players.

The true value probably comes from just having a soft tournament. Though if you're 1:1000 to win the 1$, that means you're adding 50% roi worth of EV to your tournament

I will put this out there.

No one will win the milli. GTD.

Let's say you're a strong player with a 1 in 1000 chance of winning each daily double tournament, then your odds of winning both are roughly 1 in 1000000 of winning a million, and hence the promo is worth $1 to a player of that calibre.

A weak player might have a 1 in 10000 chance of winning each tournament, which is a 1 in 100 million chance of winning both daily doubles so the promo is worth roughly 1c to a weak player.

So the overall value given by the promo averaged out per person is probably going to be somewhere between these two figures of 1c and $1, probably somewhere around 10c per person (per tournament). For a tournament like the $1.10, this is quite a significant boost to the tournament value. And it will be hard for stars to profit from this longterm given the rake is already capped at 10c per person.

But for the $55 ones it's of course much less significant.

I reckon given the skill correlation (if a player wins a tournament he's more likely to win another tournament because he's more likely to be a skilled player), the odds of there being some individual winning both tournaments will be roughly 1 in 2000 per tournament. given there's 42 pairs of daily double tournaments in total, I estimate overall the odds of this promotion being won will be 1-(1999/2000)^42=a roughly 2% chance that the million is won by someone over the 2 weeks.

I wish they had something like this

Yeah but then they would have to invest money for a promotion which would be ******ed from their pov

The type of people who are attracted to this promotion are literally the exact players we as winning players want to see Stars attract. Quit your endless bitching mash.

Of course we want recs thinking this is a great addition.

But surely there should be some incentive to the regs other than what is being offered?



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agreed, I just think it would have been outrageous enough to expect someone to win 2 daily doubles of any buyin on the same day in one week

or 100k for a different buyin bink, one time?

here's your answer:
If you're a regular winning player and you expect any more than that from Stars, you haven't been paying attention to recent developments! Be thankful for small mercies.

Also if you enjoy grinding the $1.10 tourneys, then this promo should add a significant amount of EV

they already got the regs hooked, they want to bring new recs into the game...

enjoy the softer games

Thanks for the gtd boost in the 200r. it hit 50k today so could def be raised again.

Also the late 100r really needs to be changed. Not really sure what it should be, PSKO is the obv choice, but pretty much anything would be better what it is. It's just a watered down version of the 200r that's going on at the same time and no recs play it.

Not really. I guess there 10k+ players in both of them, and if someone is really grinding they have less than 1 in 100 million chance to win them both.

Spend your time more progressively and buy a lottery ticket + do something else.

Best chance will be in 55$ ones due to smaller amount of players (2k-3k?), but considering that you pay 10$ rake, players are better than in smaller ones and get probably around (I'd guess 25k players) it's dead end in there, too. 1 in 5 million or so aren't tempting odds, either.

Still repeating myself: Just awful, awful "promotion". By making it give some added value for cashing, top100 and final tabling both it could've been interesting. Or even making some kind of weekly leaderboard with some added money incentive to play each of them. Now it is just a bad joke.

By the way, are VIP Bashes finished for good with these latest developments?

yes, but that assumes you have the same chance as everyone else of binking each tournament. a good winning player might have roughly 1 in 3000 chance of winning each tourney. That's one in 9 million to win both which equates to roughly 10c in EV. For a $1.10 tournament, 10c extra is decent and will improve your ROI considerably, I think it's worthwhile. I'm getting a friend to stake me to play all 28 of the $1.10 tourneys - and I'm primarily a cash game player too so that says a lot! i quite like this promo, and the christmas calendar sounds even better!

Even if your assumptions would be correct about winning chances, it's just half of that (two $1,10 tournaments per one shot to million, not one).

And let's say that variance is through the roof. Even on PokerStars magnitude.

But maybe dreams are worth of something, even if they never come true

Your endless blind praise is really no better than my bitching. They're both equally bad in my opinion. The pot called the kettle black.

Ways to make this promo slightly less bad:

1) make it neverending, limiting it to two weeks is just pitiful, but I guess they're worried about not maintaining gtds, as others mentioned there's no way someone is taking that million home
2) give bonuses for things like double ft, combined highest finish, double itm (you could even do without the last one).

all really obvious truths but ill +1 anyway

@ both of you, "since AMAYA took over stars [something, something] spin and go"
does such an option exist? id love to set my own default table size and since monitor resolutions are diferent id assume im not alone

please move Big $7.50 to 06:00 or 07:00ET

its just too early at 05:00ET to CET grinders even with 2hour latereg