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07-19-2015 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by khanrava
idk man my popup isn't bothering me

haha wp
07-19-2015 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
Settings > Gameplay > Multi-tabling > Allow registrations without showing Buy-in dialoge
this is literally the only mtt where this popup comes up for me. i ve disabled the thing it still pops up
07-19-2015 , 08:17 PM
might as well change the '55 nightly twenty five grand' into the '55 nightly', like you did with the 162. Pretty obv you've only changed the 162 so that you can lower it's gtd without having to keep changing the name, 162 nightly twenty grand, 162 nightly fifteen grand etc etc.
07-19-2015 , 09:42 PM
This may have already been mentioned and discussed, but why not give the first 4 levels of the the new rebuy structure 15min levels. Paying for a 4k add on and coming back to bb150 is kinda lame, whereas with 4x 15min levels at the start you would add on for 4k and be starting bb100. Also gives a good first hour of play with antes from beginning.
07-19-2015 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
It does, yes! I truncated your post in an effort to make mine more readable.

The below screenshot is what I had quickly sketched out the other day.

There is no guarantee any or all of these tournaments are implemented. This is a first draft of potential changes!



Edit: Worth clarifying that the addition of any Bigs/Hots will likely result in additional tournaments being removed to support their satellites and give them the highest chance of success.
Big 215 really needs to be in a busy time slot. Would be huge. 12:30est seems like a good fit as there's only the hot 11 and there's obv no problem coupling it with that. 11am would be good too and maybe just make the sunday version at a different time or I guess convert it to warmup, although it would be nice to have both. 9am is also reasonable with 2 hour late reg (2 hour late reg is v important if early) and replace the 109 that's been struggling. Earlier than that tho is just too early.

Hot 215 and hot 163 would also be huge and should have at least 1 in a good time slot. 5pm, 6pm, 7pm are all good spots that don't conflict with any big/hots and is still in prime time. Plus they're good times for turbos. If you're going to put one of them in a later slot I think 8:30 is def better than 10:30. A lot of ppl will extend their grind to play the 8:30 but by 10:30 so many ppl have been playing all day that they won't. And it's still late enough to where it can be a good start for the people on the nightly schedule. So 8:30 slot will get a good mix of people on both the daytime schedule and night schedule where 10:30 will mainly only be people on the night time schedule.
07-20-2015 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
tbh I play Nights all the time and I'm not sure if that time can/should support two more highstakes red tournaments.
Any other opinions here? As it is probably evident, I'm trying to motivate players in non-peak time zones.

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Originally Posted by ignorant0
switch big 8 with big 215, convert big 215 to warmup on sundays?
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Originally Posted by Kranke_EinZ
the big215 is a little too early unless you make it with an extra long latereg different structure or similar, it would be a lot bigger if switch it with the big 8 or at least big 5

rest looks ok
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Originally Posted by norfair18
Big215 needs to be at least a few hours later unless you want no one from the americas to play it. Swapping it with the big8 at 11am est has been discussed and is probably best if the goal is to balance out the schedule. Personally speaking would even like it a few hours later than that tho, feel like putting in what would be your best daily high stakes tourney in anything other than peak hours would be wrong.
See bolded below.

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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
my first thought was the Big 215 seems too early. But then I thought, what if the early start time directed some of the peak traffic towards that time slot? Surely that would be a good thing?

I'm enjoying your work Luke. Hoping to see some more ruthless culling of under-performing or unnecessary tournaments, as I disagree strongly with anyone who says it's useful to have thousands of smaller-field bowlcomps every day to "reduce variance". SNGs exist for that purpose! The scheduled MTTs on the biggest site on the planet ought to be huge, lucrative and exciting.

Also, it'd be cool if the satelites to the new improved Big/Hot schedule were also given an efficiency health-check. It seems there's plenty of room for improvement in the satelite offerings, and maximising the amount of players who win seats to games they would otherwise not regularly play ought to be a goal.
The overall goal here is to give peak players a couple new toys but also to motivate off-peak players to log on. The off-peak additions have been successful so far. 20:00-22:00 is a tough spot to change. If I'm adding the Big $215 and Hot $162 in an early time slot, it is going to be difficult to convince grinders to play beyond 18:30. That is why the other additions target later players.

As far as the satellites needing an efficiency check, I agree; however, it is a moderately large task!

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Originally Posted by PlasticPearl
Good luck getting anything above $1 there. And anyway, not everyone is a serious multi table grinder. I just think your view of the world, where all games are massive, is what many people want, but not everyone. I think there is room for both, that's all. But only having massive tournaments does not cater to the recreational player who is good is capable of mixing it up in some low stakes tournaments, has some money, and works during the day and has to be up for work in the morning.
Do you think Bubble Dash is a reasonable option for these players? Getting ITM quickly, then slowing down. Your opinion is valued!

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Originally Posted by libormar
Dont kill nonturbos for europe mornings. You already deleted 27fo at 3:45, now you wanna convert 11psko to turbo. Theres too many turbos. Plus im scared about moving 33psko, where its gonna be? :/
None of this is set in stone. Thanks for the feedback.

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Originally Posted by blakkman08
Inb4 introducing new bigs before xcoop ain't gon happen ---> decembro
Honestly, there is no timeline. I would like it to be sooner rather than later!

Spoiler:
December...2018?


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Originally Posted by Alexo
B215 is kinda close with 265KO, could maybe consider changing one of the two +/- an hour.
The Big $215's registration would close before the $265 KO starts. Anyone else think this is a problem?

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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
109 turbo reentry is gg right?
Possibly!

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Originally Posted by mashxx
you've done some changes to the timebanks, amirite? I'm timing out more often than usual (well, usually it rarely happens)
No, I haven't changed any time banks. Caffeine FTW!

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Originally Posted by mashxx
Given the rise in number of PSKO tournaments in the schedule I find it unacceptable that HHs still don't contain bounty numbers, can it get a high prio?
I'll create a development item for this.

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Originally Posted by Tacuara
So, some possible new bigs and hots and just one in peak time. I have no words for that
Well, words would be helpful! I do not think peak time would benefit from additional tournaments.

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Originally Posted by blakkman08
It makes sense tho. Peak is almost perfect as is. Some more removal of bowly regfests should happen but as is there's no way they should be adding new big MTTs there
Suggestions of bowly regfests?

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Originally Posted by jdawg91
Still think Big 215 should go after the 265 KO and before the 109rebuy. What HSMTT reg is going to start the day at this hour when there is like nothing to play around it between all the sites?
I'm not intending for HSMTT regs (by my definition, at least) to be enormously motivated by these changes. I want our regular grinders to start earlier and players from the Americas to have some new tournaments to look forward to!

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Originally Posted by anzhei
Yep, get rid of cents and make it Big 27 to enable Step tickets.

Moreover, all the Step thing needs some kind of promo and introduction of the new Bigs may be a good cause. Plus, some kind of Step 0 with lower than $7.50 buy-in would be useful to increase traffic here (like Step 1 for Euro Steps).
We have Steps Specials available for $1, 10FPP, and 60FPP. They award a Step 2 ticket to the winner, Step 1 tickets to the rest of the final table, and $3.50 to 11th.

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Originally Posted by daithi43
Is the correlation between the slow death of the 1+R 3xTurbo @19.15(GMT) and the reduction of the late registration from 90 mins to 60 mins too much of a coincidence?.
I think not, bring back 90mins late reg.
90 minutes late registration is not coming back for 3x-turbos.

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Originally Posted by mashxx
many of the sunday tournaments that have 90 min reg during the week have 60 min reg in them on sundays
Good call, I'll look into it.

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Originally Posted by mashxx
why can't we see how many knockouts we've gotten in KO/SKO tournaments in the info tab?
Because it hasn't been developed yet! There is a development task for this.

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Originally Posted by Berky
Luke,

I know it's not a huge market but is there any chance of maybe accommodating a little more for the Asia-Pac players, and not affecting everyone else too much, and moving at least one of the new hot/bigs to a couple hours later? + I think moving the big 215 a bit later would accommodate better for the HSMTT regs also?
Does moving the Hot $8.80 to 03:30 do the trick?

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Originally Posted by mashxx
Another Sunday shown that there are a couple of tweaks needed

10:45ET $21 SKO could probably sustain 30k gtd, it has 25k, it got 35k (I think again) and once you fix late reg to 90 mins it should be easy
11:15ET $44 6-max PSKO also 25k gtd, got 36k, same thing about gtd and late reg
11:30ET $8.80+1R+1A is 35k gtd, got 44k today, this one 40k gtd makes a lesser difference but maybe something to consider
11:30ET $54 KO - 20k -> 32k therefore bump it to 25k?
11:45ET $8.80 Turbo 6-max 8k -> 12k - bump it to 10k? (here I believe there's a nice psychological/marketing trick if you make it at least 10k, there are more examples of it
12:15ET $11+1R+1A - 20k -> 28k - maybe consider bump to 25k
12:45ET $54 KO - 40k -> 58k - bump it to 50k
13:00ET $4.40 PSKO - 15k -> 24k - maybe consider 20k
13:15ET $11 - 5k -> 10k - for this one I'd maybe try and put a 10k gtd on it for same reasons as 11:45 Turbo - I find it hard to believe it wouldn't attract 200-300 more players
13:15ET $55 Turbo Re-entry - 35k -> 46k - bump to 40k
13:30ET $8.80 2xT 35k -> 48k - bump it to 40k
13:45ET $22 6-max PSKO - 30k -> 43k - it may grow with further gtd bumping
14:00ET $109 Turbo 100k -> 157k - make it 125k
14:05ET Omania $33 - 8k -> 15k - make it 10k
14:15ET $8.80 Turbo - 10k -> 17.8k - maybe consider 15k
14:15ET $22+1R+1A - 35k -> 44k - make it nice and round 40k
14:30ET $13.50 KO - 12k -> 22k - increase it!
14:45ET $215 Turbo - 80k -> 112k - 100k should be easy here and make it grow even more
15:30ET $27 Turbo - 40k -> 54k - maybe consider 50k
15:30ET $3.30+R 2xT - 20k -> 28k - maybe consider 25k

and this is all on a sunny and hot summer sunday
To be clear, we do not set guarantees based on suggestions in this thread. The Sunday-specific guarantees were updated mere weeks ago. I'll likely take another look at them in mid-August.

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Originally Posted by straykatbluz
might as well change the '55 nightly twenty five grand' into the '55 nightly', like you did with the 162. Pretty obv you've only changed the 162 so that you can lower it's gtd without having to keep changing the name, 162 nightly twenty grand, 162 nightly fifteen grand etc etc.
Yes, this will be happening with the Nightly $55 and Wednesday Hundred Grand. I simply didn't have time last week!

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Originally Posted by straykatbluz
This may have already been mentioned and discussed, but why not give the first 4 levels of the the new rebuy structure 15min levels. Paying for a 4k add on and coming back to bb150 is kinda lame, whereas with 4x 15min levels at the start you would add on for 4k and be starting bb100. Also gives a good first hour of play with antes from beginning.
This would result in far less rebuys, right? The new structure has helped grow prize pools thus far.

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Originally Posted by dpeters17
Big 215 really needs to be in a busy time slot. Would be huge. 12:30est seems like a good fit as there's only the hot 11 and there's obv no problem coupling it with that. 11am would be good too and maybe just make the sunday version at a different time or I guess convert it to warmup, although it would be nice to have both. 9am is also reasonable with 2 hour late reg (2 hour late reg is v important if early) and replace the 109 that's been struggling. Earlier than that tho is just too early.

Hot 215 and hot 163 would also be huge and should have at least 1 in a good time slot. 5pm, 6pm, 7pm are all good spots that don't conflict with any big/hots and is still in prime time. Plus they're good times for turbos. If you're going to put one of them in a later slot I think 8:30 is def better than 10:30. A lot of ppl will extend their grind to play the 8:30 but by 10:30 so many ppl have been playing all day that they won't. And it's still late enough to where it can be a good start for the people on the nightly schedule. So 8:30 slot will get a good mix of people on both the daytime schedule and night schedule where 10:30 will mainly only be people on the night time schedule.
I have to challenge these assumptions! Our biggest daily tournaments are The Big $55, The Big $109, and The Big $162. Adding more of these buy-ins will not result in larger prize pools. It will likely result in smaller prize pools across those three important tournaments. By adding the higher buy-ins during fringe-peak times, I can motivate high volume players to play a bit more and touch a new group of recreational players.

Another consideration is that high stakes players are the least reliable! I want the new tournaments to have the highest sustainable guarantees possible, not just high prize pools during *COOP time.

Thanks for the feedback everyone!
07-20-2015 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke


To be clear, we do not set guarantees based on suggestions in this thread. The Sunday-specific guarantees were updated mere weeks ago. I'll likely take another look at them in mid-August.
But if a tournament overlays once or twice in a week it's decreased straight up! There is no such thing as waiting to mid-August!
07-20-2015 , 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke

Does moving the Hot $8.80 to 03:30 do the trick?
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Probably should have been more specific and referred to the asia-pac grinders. EG: Moving the big 215 from 8.30 to 10.30am (meaning you would start at midnight rather then 10.30pm would already make a huge difference - given the rest of the schedule.( this is just an example, I can see your reasoning for starting it early, but it would be nice for asiapac grinders to have one of the new M/HSMTTs in a preferable time slot.)

Last edited by Berky; 07-20-2015 at 06:12 AM.
07-20-2015 , 06:58 AM
Tons of the APAC grinders play from like 4:00 to 8:00 tho. When I lived in Taiwan, very few of the guys would play Euro peaks because that ended up being in the dead of night. We'd try to pull it during WCOOP and SCOOP but it always sucked.
07-20-2015 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by blakkman08
this is literally the only mtt where this popup comes up for me. i ve disabled the thing it still pops up
Coolio, thought that might have been the case. Sorry broseph I'm out of ideas
07-20-2015 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
Do you think Bubble Dash is a reasonable option for these players? Getting ITM quickly, then slowing down. Your opinion is valued!
For my personally I am not fond of Bubble Dashes because it's rebuys and too quick. I like reg speed tournaments that take 4-6 hours. This is something Full Tilt do very well actually - they have $5 and $10 guarantees, that usually attract between 200-500 people. They're great for low stakes players who want to see a steady growth in their green line rather than just looking for the big bink. That said, I am probably not your majority lowstakes rec and I would imagine that for a lot of them Bubble Dashes are a great option, for sure.

As mentioned in another post, at least MicroMillions, the add on at the end of the rebuy period is 4 big blinds! Seems a little pointless. A minimum of 10, ideally 20 big blind would be perfect. Will help grow the prize pool as it will give people busting an incentive to rebuy and then add on. At the moment if you bust you know the add on isn't worth it so you just exit.
07-20-2015 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
But if a tournament overlays once or twice in a week it's decreased straight up! There is no such thing as waiting to mid-August!
exactly
07-20-2015 , 10:08 AM
Please please reconsider the big215. Having it around1 hour before the 109r would make getting up earlier worthwhile and would also improve 109 prizepool as well as b75/265ko/82 hypers. Please please please please.
07-20-2015 , 10:43 AM
Gonna go against the grain and say the b215 slot you have chosen would be great. As an aussie it gets tiring starting sessions at 3am with the b109. I'd love to be able to start around 8pm and not have the first 3-4 hours of my sesh revolving completely around just the b33/b44. When you bust those the sched is sooo boring until the b75.
I get that the majority will want something new and awesome like a b215 in the peak sched, but theres enough tourneys to share around and that part of the sched is overdue for something good.

h162/33 also good in the spots you've picked. that said, the numbers aren't going to be huge. The h162 will prob be v similar to the h109 field, and the h33 field will be smaller than it is now. But like you said, you want to focus on improving the sched overall rather than giving peak time all the best stuff, and for that reason I think these changes would be good.

It's 2015, people aren't playing 24 tables on just stars and full tilt. Todays mtt majority play 3-6 sites and game select a lot better. So am 100% on board with cutting the sched overall and giving focus to the best stuff.

edit: yeah 1hr before 109r wouldn't be too bad either I guess. But def wouldn't want to see it squeezed in between b109 and b55 or anything like that. Maybe give the 265ko to the current b215 timeslot and let the b215 go an hour before 109r.

Last edited by straykatbluz; 07-20-2015 at 10:56 AM.
07-20-2015 , 10:52 AM
Luke, is there any chance of having the Pacific Rim as a daily tournament? You could even give it a tiny gtd on weekdays to start off until you get a feel for how it will perform.
As it is now, it starts at 2pm on a Sunday afternoon for Australian players. The bigger 75 starts at Midnight, making it really hard to play the rim AND get a good sleep before the sunday session (monday for us). A TONNE of players miss it because of this exact reason, but it is still an awesome awesome tourney and that dry part of the schedule comes alive every Sunday afternoon. Please consider this, would be so nice to play more afternoons while the sun is actually up <3

If your dead set on keeping it once a week, maybe considering moving it back 24hrs.

Last edited by straykatbluz; 07-20-2015 at 10:59 AM.
07-20-2015 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Lockhurt
Any chance we can get a satty to the live 25ks at PCA, Monaco, ect.? Make it a 1k or 2k buy in and run it quarterly, it will always meet the guarantee if it is only 1 seat.
Could you reply to this? One online satty for each Highroller (EPT 10ks, PCA25ks) would be amazing. If you only have one it wont hurt the traffic for the main event sattys much, you could start a "live highroller challenge", make some marketing about how this is your shot to play with the big pros etc bla, no way this wouldnt work. 700$ sattys for 10k EPT, 2100$ for 25ks.

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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
Please please reconsider the big215. Having it around1 hour before the 109r would make getting up earlier worthwhile and would also improve 109 prizepool as well as b75/265ko/82 hypers. Please please please please.
this +infinit pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeee
I'd suggest considering changing the withered 109 FO at 9 am and promote it better somehow, then move big215 later in big8 timeslet would be dream.
07-20-2015 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
I have to challenge these assumptions! Our biggest daily tournaments are The Big $55, The Big $109, and The Big $162. Adding more of these buy-ins will not result in larger prize pools. It will likely result in smaller prize pools across those three important tournaments. By adding the higher buy-ins during fringe-peak times, I can motivate high volume players to play a bit more and touch a new group of recreational players.

Another consideration is that high stakes players are the least reliable! I want the new tournaments to have the highest sustainable guarantees possible, not just high prize pools during *COOP time.

Thanks for the feedback everyone!
No one said you should put the big215 between big109 and big162. there is clearly no room for it there, and i think you`re right in your assumption that putting it there would decrease the prizepools across the board.

That being said, putting it in 11:00ET slot would strengthen and lengthen the peak hours, as a lot of grinders would start earlier and 100r / 265ko would both grow even more. I feel like 8:00ET hours need a smaller tourney to go with big 5/8/33/44/75. Big 82 would fit better here and would target the same audience. Big 66 could also work if you wanna keep big 82 that late.

Putting the big215 so early, would make people who play higher start earlier for a while, ofc, but they will eventually get bored, because the next best thing they could play is a withered 100fo, and then much smaller bigs.

Lastly, i don`t agree with HS players not being reliable. GTDs should be set for non xcoop periods, and they will hit 3 times their gtds when the series occur (You should be proud of this !). There is a good solid base of people (both regs and recs) who grind constantly the HS @ peak hours. Your goal shouldn`t be to change their entire schedule, rather than just make them reg a couple more hours before and after, imo.
07-20-2015 , 11:16 AM
With regards to tournament sizing, there are three durations and field size ranges that I enjoy playing (all of which are reg-speed):

1) 45 min - 1.5 hours, which usually involves STTs. I play these if I only have 2-3 hours available.

2) 3 - 5 hours, playing the 90/180 man SNGs, as well as the 1-hour timed MTTs, and anything else up to ~360 players. I play these if I have 4 - 7 hours available.

3. Large field tournaments, including the Bigs and 600+ player fields. I play these in the evening if I don't have to wake up the next morning.

Late registration also has a huge affect on which games I play and when. For the middle time range, if a tournament only gets 200 players but has an hour of late registration I will likely skip it, but if a tournament has 400-500 players but no (or 10 - 15 minutes of) late-reg I will probably play it.
07-20-2015 , 11:31 AM
In fact, that's simple. The majority of HS players (to not say almost everyone) grind between big 75 and hot 44. We have some tournaments that can be replaced by a big or a hot and we had many opinions reflects that there is some space for good red tournaments. The other time slots have some HS with reasonable success but if you want that your most expensive "Big" will be the biggest/greatest "Big, it have to be in peak time. I think that's a great tournament to early grind. 11 ET is perfect, will increase the sucess of b75, 8r, 265 ko, every reg that starts 18 et with late reg in 100r and b109 will start 2 hours earlier.

I dont know if that idea of :00 for bigs and :30 for hots is a rule...but if dont, i think we can make some replacements.

82$ HT 11 ET - > Hot 82$ 11:30 ET (seems a no brainer)
109$ Turbo 17:15 ET - > Hot 162$ (this tournament works fine but i guess it's the only space possible

55$ Turbo Re-Entry 13:15 ET have to be replaced by something, it depends what you want for this tournament.

About Hot 215$, i think that you can just replace by one 215$ turbo (14:45 or 18:30).

If that idea is a rule, i can elaborate more for a possible schedule...but the principal idea is that tournaments have to stay in peak time.There are some other good options for other time slots, b82, h27, etc
07-20-2015 , 12:35 PM
55+R big antes - > Hot 162$ looks better
Also converting 55$ @17:00 to s.th. like the Small 55$/ Big55 2nd chance or just a higher gtd to support Hot 162, hot 44$, 109$ @19:00 and everything else in that slot. It just gets smaller and smaller as a lot of players end their session at that time.
07-20-2015 , 12:58 PM
Do the people creating the MicroMillions schedule not speak to the people creating the regular schedule? There are two $4.40 PSKOs about to start at the exact same time, one an MM event and one not, one $75k gtd and one $15k gtd. I'm actually going to play both so it works for me, but odd scheduling
07-20-2015 , 01:02 PM
Big 215 could get pushed 30 min to an hour earlier, and given 3-4 hours of late reg.

(10k start stack, 20 min levels, start at 25-50+5, 3 hours in is only 150-300 or so, 4 hours would be 300-600 or so).

Also while I love that there will be a Hot 162 implemented soon, the rake on turbo MTT's 30$+ needs to be looked into by stars.

Until it is acknowledged by you that stars is looking into lowering the rake on these tournaments I will no longer play any turbo 40$+ unless it is a hot 44/55/75 until stars accepts that this may be an issue and looks into it.

I strongly suggest that everyone else does the same.

Luke, I've paid $22,000++ in rake in just these games over the past few years.
07-20-2015 , 01:51 PM
Tourney # 1277346401

To avoid that happening again in the future - have it payout:
entries places paid
3-8................1
9-16...............2
17-24.............3
25-32.............4
32-40.............5
41-48..............6
49-56..............7
etc etc

Also same payout for 1277346084 , 1277346197
07-20-2015 , 05:03 PM
please add more tourney to fit Asia time zone. the Sunday grind always hurts our health having to start the sunday mil at 3 or 430 in the morning...
07-20-2015 , 05:23 PM
so let me ask you this

when are you going to put the gtd's back to how they were before wsop?

for example the 8r has suddenly been decreased to 10k gtd. with the previous 12k gtd, 1st price was around 3k, now with the 10k gtd it barely makes over 2k. so tell me how gtd's dont matter?

      
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