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Hello,

Will the $5.50 NL Hold'em, $4K Gtd (19:00 CET) be permanently removed from the schedule? Could not find it today and it is not in the announced tournaments for tomorrow.

06-08-2015 , 04:01 PM

#3604

gollyheck

veteran

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,547

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlasticPearl

I think it's pretty obvious that antes makes a structure faster. Pots are bigger so stacks are smaller relative to the pot sizes.

Earlier antes means more players bust in the earlier levels now which translates to deeper stacks in later levels.

06-08-2015 , 04:27 PM

#3605

CupcakeTrev

enthusiast

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by jk88

Hello,

Will the $5.50 NL Hold'em, $4K Gtd (19:00 CET) be permanently removed from the schedule? Could not find it today and it is not in the announced tournaments for tomorrow.

I do not understand why a tournament that gets over 800 players every day (well over 1000 on Sundays) has been cut from the schedule. Yes there is a PSKO with a similar buyin at the same time, but besides bigger buyins and turbos nearby, there is nothing it interferes with. At one of the peak hours on the site, you have removed one of the best micro/low stakes regular speed MTTs from the schedule for no obvious reason.

After months of people lobbying for more regular speed MTTs, removing one of the more popular ones at the micro/low stakes is very disappointing.

06-08-2015 , 05:39 PM

#3606

moleskined

newbie

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 42

100e sat to Estrellas Barcelona still has old structure fix it pls

06-08-2015 , 05:55 PM

#3607

PlasticPearl

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 246

Quote:

Originally Posted by gollyheck

Earlier antes means more players bust in the earlier levels now which translates to deeper stacks in later levels.

Sure, but if the antes make more people bust earlier that means for a majority it will play quicker with shallower effective stacks initially, removing skill edge in a tournament full of weaker players. Just my preference anyway, all entitled to their own

06-08-2015 , 06:15 PM

#3608

rounder63

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Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 2,392

109r ft had avg stack of 16bb.....

06-08-2015 , 06:58 PM

#3609

anzhei

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 253

$5.50 $4k gtd with the new structure was one of the best evening tourneys at low stakes, which was proven by its regular numbers. Removing it is a crime.

06-08-2015 , 08:07 PM

#3610

ignorant0

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 612

agree new rebuys structure needs some more tweaking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ignorant0

i would suggest either even longer rebuy periods with longer levels and bigger addon ( 2h rebuy / 12min levels / 6k addon / blinds 150/300 after addon ) or just bigger addon. what this would do is make more people addon ( with any of the 2 variants obv ). now, people with above average+ stacks dont NEED to addon, because now we get only 10bbs per addon, which is a bad price compared to the 10 to 50 bbs for buyin or rebuy ( in any stage of the rebuy period ). you have to make people need & want to addon, and prizepools will increase.

also both options will increase the game experience imo, giving a slightly deeper stack feel, while not increasing the tournament duration by much ( probably 30-60 minutes maximum in the 30r and 50r, maybe more in the smaller ones )

but, in general, what people are looking for in a rebuy is decent prize pools and deepstack play. and i see no downside on giving them exactly that by tweaking them a bit more.

06-08-2015 , 09:01 PM

#3611

Joey86bu

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 27

Well done Stars.
Make the structures better for some games and then..........
remove those games from the schedule.
Just take all the games off and make everything a hyper for Pete's sake.
That's obviously what you guys want to do.
Just be honest about it and change the company name to Hyper Stars.
I do have to thank you guys though as this was the foot in the butt I needed to go play other sites.

06-08-2015 , 09:07 PM

#3612

DoGGz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 17,315

Here's a post from 2013 talking about how the super deep/long COOP rebuy played 'less than 30bb deep'. A slow structure only can do so much with regard to making stacks deeper. Just making the blinds longer isn't really a great solution to make average stacks deeper. Getting players who will gamble and push the action into the tournament is more helpful.

06-08-2015 , 11:08 PM

#3613

LostOstrich

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 15,933

I've said it before, late reg is what's killing the rebuys

06-09-2015 , 01:09 AM

#3614

26sk8er

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 596

lol at removing the 5.50 4k, that is ridiculous!

06-09-2015 , 05:24 AM

#3615

anzhei

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 253

What is really ridiculous, there's two essentially the same $3.30 $3k tournaments (12.00 ET and 14.00 ET) with an old structure and low prizepools, but you leave them both, killing a single one vanilla MTT with an excellent structure and best ratio of the participants number/1st prize money.
If you cent help yourself but need to remove something, just get rid of $3.30 $2.5 gtd at 14.00 ET, and put $5.50 instead making it $5k gtd since i cant remember this tourney has less than 1k runners.

Could you please elaborate your decision and bring it back as soon as possible

06-09-2015 , 05:35 AM

#3616

Soepgroente

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,083

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlasticPearl

I think it's pretty obvious that antes makes a structure faster. Pots are bigger so stacks are smaller relative to the pot sizes.

I thought it'd be pretty obvious that earlier antes have 0 impact on the length of any mtt. Whether antes kick in at 10/20 or 100/200 in an mtt that ends at 10k/20k has a negligible effect on the total running time. It makes it a lot more playable in the early stages however. The phenomenon you describe also corrects itself by making the avarage stack deeper.

06-09-2015 , 05:49 AM

#3617

PlasticPearl

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Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 246

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soepgroente

It may not make the overall length of the tournament shorter, but it does shorten the tournament for players who bust in the early levels.

06-09-2015 , 05:51 AM

#3618

PlasticPearl

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 246

On a completely separate note, can we have the return of people having to press the timebank button pre-flop or they fold? Having to sit for 3 minutes while someone's timebank runs down because they didn't return from break/went to the toilet/are playing a stupid number of tables is incredibly frustrating, reduces the amount of hands played per level, and just ruins the user experience for a lot of people. I know many people like to play 30 tables but if they can't keep up then that's their problem.

06-09-2015 , 06:22 AM

#3619

Soepgroente

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,083

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlasticPearl

It may not make the overall length of the tournament shorter, but it does shorten the tournament for players who bust in the early levels.

True, but this is a good thing. What you want in a tournament is a deep avarage stack throughout, not a shallow stack nitfest until antes kick in.

06-09-2015 , 06:31 AM

#3620

U shove i call

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,810

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlasticPearl

Your logic is terrible.

You should try sky poker none of their mtts have antes at any stage. Sure all their mtts play deeper and more skillful than stars.

06-09-2015 , 06:36 AM

#3621

PlasticPearl

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Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 246

Quote:

Originally Posted by U shove i call

Your logic is terrible.

You should try sky poker none of their mtts have antes at any stage. Sure all their mtts play deeper and more skillful than stars.

Thanks for your condescension. All I'm saying is I'd like stacks in the Storm to stay deeper for a bit longer so we get more meaningful postflop play with players who are bad post flop. You're allowed to disagree without being patronising.

06-09-2015 , 06:42 AM

#3622

U shove i call

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,810

my bad.

Just explaining that your logic is pretty flawed and its way better to have antes against bad players.

Guess i could of said it nicer sorry.

06-09-2015 , 11:37 AM

#3623

rounder63

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 2,392

Please don't change the 8r lol

06-09-2015 , 12:50 PM

#3624

straykatbluz

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,425

dont know much about the technicalities of rebuys and/or what tweaks they need, but am really enjoying the antes from start. Can we get get 15min levels whole way through the 109r? Or 12min, then into 15...

also, 55 4max needs structure update. Give it same as the 27 PSKO 4max. The one it has now is really really bad.

06-09-2015 , 01:13 PM

#3625

ferdilicious

adept

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 722

@ 100r

its a bit too fast and shallow bc of the both 10 min levels and ppl not double rebuying?

feel like it went smoother with the old structure idk

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