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***OFFICIAL Stars 2015 MTT Discussion Thread*** ***OFFICIAL Stars 2015 MTT Discussion Thread***

05-22-2015 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
Beginning May 25th, some changes are being made to the off-peak offering:


01:45 $5.10 Hyper-Turbo 6-Max will now be PSKO
maybe before making it psko, copy this tournament and insert it at 23:45 (and 03:45)

dont think cannibalization would be an issue with the huso at 23:30, in contrast people might stay logged in to finish with those 2 games and or people busting the huso would register the 6m hyper

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Speaking of PSKO, the 18:35 $55 PLO 6-Max is now PSKO. It was either that or removing it from the deployment!
liking the 55 going psko! was high% regs and not really worth playing but now it should be fun
05-22-2015 , 02:48 PM
Squeezing in a 4+R 4max to the CET morning hours would be really nice
05-22-2015 , 03:24 PM
i would like to be able to add a --41- filter in my favorites that would remove all satellites to event 41 zoom and the events themselves that would otherwise show up, since i dont want to play the zoom event or any satellite that would put me in it

i can and will do this now by editing the text filters on my dozen satellite filters, but its tedious
05-22-2015 , 03:25 PM
Can you make the 11 Cubed a "Sunday Edition" labeled tournament as well?

It is almost identical in size to the 8 Cubed every day of the week, including Sundays.

Leaving the 11 Cubed out would make them a bit more lopsided on Sunday.
05-22-2015 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
I don’t think the time is right to add new Bigs or a Saturday 2-day, but I am happy to revisit both points in August.
:S This doesn't sound too promising. afaik It seemed like these were going to be implemented shortly after scoop. Worth discussing imo
05-22-2015 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by straykatbluz
:S This doesn't sound too promising. afaik It seemed like these were going to be implemented shortly after scoop. Worth discussing imo
adding them before the slowest time of the year probably isnt ideal for their long term health
05-22-2015 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
I don’t think the time is right to add new Bigs or a Saturday 2-day, but I am happy to revisit both points in August. At present my highest priority is refining the schedule through reductions and other adjustments.
Sigh, agreed with straykatblutz - this is so frustrating, we've been discussing it for months and you keep delaying it and giving us even further dates to 'revisit the idea'? I call
05-22-2015 , 04:10 PM
We could had it before SCOOP and turned it into a SE while SCOOP I say.
05-22-2015 , 04:22 PM
I strongly disagree that people dont enjoy rebuys.

Look at 8r 8c 11c structures got fixed and gtds went up so they are worth playing

The rebuys that are dieing is because the GTDs are just make them not worth playing.

I think with some tinkering can fix most of them.

Maybe im old and witherrrrrrrrring but actually enjoy playing the game instead of flipping
05-22-2015 , 04:31 PM
got refunded for the messup in the mixed-max event (y) good work bryan, gg
05-22-2015 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
agreed on untick option for "i'm ready"
+1
05-22-2015 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by random btn
got refunded for the messup in the mixed-max event (y) good work bryan, gg
Bryan still working his magic from beyond the grave. RIP <3
05-22-2015 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Uhrenknecht
We could had it before SCOOP and turned it into a SE while SCOOP I say.
Yeah I mean that was atleast being considered wasn't it? To go from that to August seems a bit drastic. Hopefully Luke will address it again soon
05-22-2015 , 05:57 PM
any chance of a midstakes championship of poker 11$- 320$ buyins.
05-22-2015 , 06:25 PM
thoughts on extending late reg slightly (to 90 mins) and slightly deepening the structure for a couple of the non-red reg speed freezeouts? make it so you last minute reg at T200 or T300 which is 90 minutes in. I think the 17:00 $55 10k is a good candidate, 09:00 $109 7.5k, 12:00 $22 10k, $11 10k 15:30. Just a minor structural change to some already nice comps to see what happens (surely it can only be positive outcomes :P)
05-22-2015 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
thoughts on extending late reg slightly (to 90 mins) and slightly deepening the structure for a couple of the non-red reg speed freezeouts? make it so you last minute reg at T200 or T300 which is 90 minutes in. I think the 17:00 $55 10k is a good candidate, 09:00 $109 7.5k, 12:00 $22 10k, $11 10k 15:30. Just a minor structural change to some already nice comps to see what happens (surely it can only be positive outcomes :P)
noooo, it's good enough.
05-22-2015 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rounder63
I strongly disagree that people dont enjoy rebuys.

Look at 8r 8c 11c structures got fixed and gtds went up so they are worth playing

The rebuys that are dieing is because the GTDs are just make them not worth playing.

I think with some tinkering can fix most of them.

Maybe im old and witherrrrrrrrring but actually enjoy playing the game instead of flipping
late registration is the reason rebuys are dying. People just aren't incentivised to gamble for multiple buyins when they know a horde of regs are always going to jump in at the end of the rebuy period and hoover up all the value.
05-22-2015 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mashxx
noooo, it's good enough.
well i was thinking after that 90 minutes the structure will remain somewhat the same. game time stays the same etc etc. it will just allow more of the playerbase to enter by adding an extra 50% to late registration time
05-22-2015 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
thoughts on extending late reg slightly (to 90 mins) and slightly deepening the structure for a couple of the non-red reg speed freezeouts? make it so you last minute reg at T200 or T300 which is 90 minutes in. I think the 17:00 $55 10k is a good candidate, 09:00 $109 7.5k, 12:00 $22 10k, $11 10k 15:30. Just a minor structural change to some already nice comps to see what happens (surely it can only be positive outcomes :P)
+1 Def

Pls make phase 1 a non satellite. Most don't use favourites and many players filter out satties. If u make it a regular tournament, the numbers would be massive. Also try a $22 or $33 version.

Little thrill 109 starting parallel to the 1k major version or on wednesday instead with final table gaining entry into the major. This has been mentioned by many people over the last few months. Pls put a mini/little thrill there.

Also i do like the 109 prsko turbo. It is a great addition but the prsko format plays so well as a reg speed tournament. The incentive of the ko's mean players are approaching the game with a looser mindset anyway so there is always plenty of action. Would love a $55 or $109 reg speed, 9 handed prsko somewhere. Most regs and recs enjoy them which is why they are always huge.

Personally i would have preferred the 55 6k that got turned into a deep stacks tournament to be a prsko. It would have smashed a 20k guarantee and not last 12 hours.

Cheers

Last edited by Transcendence; 05-22-2015 at 07:19 PM.
05-22-2015 , 08:21 PM
Welcome Luke, great decision by stars to hire someone with such a strong player background.

Saturday $700 8max seemed like a done deal if you go back in the thread and see Bryan's comments about it. He was only waiting until scoop was over to introduce it and a possibly a couple other bigs. I agree waiting a couple months until the WSOP is over is probably a good idea on your part, but this really needs to be added immediately after. I hope you can seriously revisit and consider it come July/August.
05-22-2015 , 08:47 PM
Luke, what is your take on the relationship between guarantees and participation in tournaments? This recently has been a point of contention between many players and Bryan. Simply speaking, most players agree guarantees drive participation and aggressive guarantees promote growth in tournaments. Whereas Stars business practices recently have been to lower tournaments at any time a tournament's guarantee seems to be threatened by an overlay. This reduction in guarantee then further decreases participation further decreasing the guarantees in an endless loop. Many tournaments have been killed off this way in the past year.

We've also talked about how guarantees need to be adjusted based on the day of the week. Clearly traffic is greater on Tuesdays and Thursdays with the ST and Thrill, yet the Big109 was recently lowered to 80k from 100k because it overlayed on a few mondays. Nevermind that it was doing great on most other days of the week...they all unnecessarily received lower guarantees too, further reducing traffic. The sunday edition guarantees are a great start...i hope they can be further expanded to the weekdays. 888 has adjusted their guarantees very aggressively on their 162 Crocodile tournament based on the day of the week and it performs fantastic. So there is precedent for this model being highly successful.

I hope you can keep the guarantees up as much as possible, and not lower them until it's clear tournaments cannot sustain them long-term. Also tournaments that fantastically over-perform their guarantees (there are many) need to be raised too.
05-22-2015 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by norfair18
Luke, what is your take on the relationship between guarantees and participation in tournaments? This recently has been a point of contention between many players and Bryan. Simply speaking, most players agree guarantees drive participation and aggressive guarantees promote growth in tournaments. Whereas Stars business practices recently have been to lower tournaments at any time a tournament's guarantee seems to be threatened by an overlay. This reduction in guarantee then further decreases participation further decreasing the guarantees in an endless loop. Many tournaments have been killed off this way in the past year.

We've also talked about how guarantees need to be adjusted based on the day of the week. Clearly traffic is greater on Tuesdays and Thursdays with the ST and Thrill, yet the Big109 was recently lowered to 80k from 100k because it overlayed on a few mondays. Nevermind that it was doing great on most other days of the week...they all unnecessarily received lower guarantees too, further reducing traffic. The sunday edition guarantees are a great start...i hope they can be further expanded to the weekdays. 888 has adjusted their guarantees very aggressively on their 162 Crocodile tournament based on the day of the week and it performs fantastic. So there is precedent for this model being highly successful.

I hope you can keep the guarantees up as much as possible, and not lower them until it's clear tournaments cannot sustain them long-term. Also tournaments that fantastically over-perform their guarantees (there are many) need to be raised too.
+1 to all of this.

TBH I think stars does a pretty bad job of setting good guarantees and it hurts their bottom line overall because of this.
05-22-2015 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
nightly $11, sunday pacific rim $27 vamooos
+1
05-22-2015 , 10:31 PM
GG Bryan, HS 6m PLO Sunday MTT Luke ?
05-23-2015 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
I don’t think the time is right to add new Bigs or a Saturday 2-day, but I am happy to revisit both points in August. At present my highest priority is refining the schedule through reductions and other adjustments.
Everyone wants something added, nobody willing to give anything up. good luck!

      
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