I got a half chug going from that poem on the last page

Why would you drink half a poem?

yeah, I was quite livid when Baard announced that the 95c rake on $5+$5 PKOs was a deliberate move, but he handled it well and I conceded that the progressive element awards more of the bounty pool to the winners and it's therefore reasonable to rake it. If I weren't so lazy I'd have looked into this in more detail and produced some numbers to support my new argument, namely that the main prize pool is still where the majority of the profit is and as such the rake on the bounty pool ought to be lowered.

The beta versions of the $27 PKOs were split $13/$13/$1. Now they're set at $12.30/$12.25/$2.45, which is a 145% rake increase. You can see why the regs are pissed! I'd suggest $12.50/$12.50/$2 if you felt like throwing us a bone, but like I say I have no data to support my assertion (assumption prob a better word) that these games still ought to be raked lower than regular MTTs so I'll get back to you once I'm able to justify arguing for a lower figure!

OHHHH HO HO HO!

So when can everyone use the new software? Pokerstars 7 or 8 or whatever it's called.. It's been in beta testing for ages.. A few people in this thread are already using it if I'm not mistaken..

Work continues apace. I can tell you that we're now more likely to go with multiple smaller projects (like introducing the PSKOs much more often) than with one massive launch with the schedule flipping like a switch overnight.

I can't give you an exact date (I don't know it), but I can tell you that the next phase of development for PokerStars 7 is to release it as an open Alpha that you'll be able to try.

I've looked a little into this situation of raking progressive KO's. Let's assume that the industry standards that have been set before the introduction of PKO's are "fair". This means that the rake in freezeouts of 0.0909% (10+1) and no rake on regular KOs has been established as "fair".

From my perspective, I think it is fair to say the progressive part of the KO should be raked since the money accumulates all the way to the end. That part, I think, would be fair to rake similar to a freezeout. So in the case where half the bounty gets added to your own bounty, 50% of the bounty would get raked. When it comes to PSKO's, half of the non-raked buy-in should go towards the prize pool and half towards the bounty on your head.

All this means is that 100% of the freezeout would be raked at 0.090909% and 50% of the PKO at the same rate. So the rake for PSKO's would be 0.0682. In the end, the buy-in would be 12.58 + 12.58 + 1.84 for a $27.

Though I feel the KO part of the PSKO's should be raked, I feel we are significantly being over raked relative to the industry standards that have already been set. Take into account that the beta PSKO's were 13 + 13 + 1 and this rake increase feels a whole lot worse.

While I'm willing to understand the rationale behind rake for PKO's it tilts me to hell that the issue with rake on turbos is so ignored. That is even bigger evidence that the community is right and it should be changed for the benefit of all but stars won't admit it and won't ever change it.

I think that all regular turbo's should be second chance, where the second buy-in is without rake. But it is important to directly display on the table who is on his first buy-in, and who's on his second buy-in.
The HOT's have such a good structure and so many fish that this is not needed, but all regular turbo's (including all KO's) should be second chance, imo.
If this would actually be installed, the good old 20, 30, 50, 100 bigblind-structure would be okay, even for the turbo-format. And people would still bust fast enough to reg new MTT's to make more rake.

I don't wander into MTTs too often, but I went deep in the $44 Turbo 15k guaranteed at 13:45 ET today. For whatever reason after all the regular blindlevels it suddenly went to 1.2/2.4k, 1.4/2.8k, 1.6/3.2k, 1.8/3.6k, 2k/4k (yay), 2.4k/4.8k, 2.8/5.6k, 3.2/6.4k, 3.6/7.2k.

After playing and final tabling this today it I don't think I'll be playing that tourney ever again. Those levels are almost impossible to play since you have to figure out the weirdest calculations all the time just to realize the approximate stacksize. And whether someone has 18 or 16bb makes a giant difference in turbos. I was singletabling and actually used my calculator to try and figure out stacksizes for almost an hour there.

Is there a reason for that? And does anyone else hate playing those weird levels?

Then I notice the next 44$ Turbo at 20:15 ET has completely different levels
despite all being called turbos. Are there more of these weird structures somewhere so I know which tourneys to skip? I noticed it played a fair bit deeper than most turbos, so that's probably intended. Can I figure out which tourney has which structure somehow without checking the blindlists for everything I want to register?

Lol yeah you can check the structures in the lobby. I have this problem sometimes too. Never busted out the calculator though

These levels are great. Don't be awful at mental arithmetic.

Seriously, I am always super happy when I'm playing this structure. Please Stars, introduce it into more tournaments!

Add no. of BB's to your HUD.

Solved!

This is what my mate does - she isn't good at mental arithmetic so just dumps that stat on her HUD and boosh, sorted.

+1

This has been mentioned for YEARS! This also affects the FLO8 and other Limit Weeklies.



+1

+1

Also throw in a FLO8 and some mid-stakes $55/$82

+1

08 is the 3rd most popular game and deserves to be presented in the WCOOP Challange series. Please add that in the next edition.
As this is a rather high stakes series I'd like to see a $530/$700 FLO8/PLO8

finally someone maths it out for the rest of us!!!!!

i doublechecked it, hes right


if stars doesnt drop the rake to .0682 then this PR damage controll speakerbox masquerading as customer feedback thread has finally blown its cover

and in keeping with the logic about the 'non progressive' half of the bounty not being raked like all other non progressive bounties to date........


that makes the rake on the progressive portion of the bounty

0.1992

add more reg speed freezeouts/rebuys/PSKO, ANYTHING apart from more turbos around the big 33 please

Ok, one change stars needs to make right now, that costs them nothing and instantly improves two tournaments, copy the 215 weekly nlo8 structure, tweak it a little and apply it on 215 weekly plo and plo8. Those are supposed to be the two weekly majors in their respective games and those structures suck completely

And even better, do that plus make them 5k stacks. Theres no logical reason not to (unless stars can provide one?) and would GREATLY improve enjoyment for current players and probably encourage more to reg longterm.

^^ It has been said a gazillion times, and was never adressed by Bryan up to now.
I strongly agree that the structure of the old PLO/PLO8 Weekly's are a joke, and need a change ASAP!

Here's a reason... (obviously I don't agree with it) The worse the structure for an MTT the feasible winrates of winning players is reduced and the loss rate of a traditionally losing player goes down. Therefore the losing player gets to play more MTT's before he goes broke (more rake) while the winning player must play more MTT's (more rake) to reach his monthly financial cashout requirements.

I totally agree with you that structures for the weekly 215's across the board should be improved and agree that more players would play them as well. I don't play online Saturdays very often but if the $215 LHE structure was better I probably would.

^^ Then why does the NLO8 have a great structure? It was created way later than the old PLO/PLO8/LHE etc Weekly's, so I don't think that this is a case of the edge-flattening, but just a lack of change happening.

I would bet a small amount that the structures of the old Weekly's will be changed for the better when the new schedule is finally out.