Just glad it got through regardless who thought of it.

Now let us get some more things going right, lower regular speed time bank.

Penalize people disconnecting on purpose and reconnecting, it happens in regular speeds quite often.

You could decrease regular speed time bank by 30 seconds. Still looking for antes in my regular speeds from early stages. ´

At the €7 and €15 reg speeds there is only 1 lobby each, can we get 2 so it can perhaps increase the amount that run. I play them just about everytime they go off and sometimes we go off a fair amount, however, they def are lacking in comparison to the USD format.

1) This is something your customers dont care about at all. That is your problem. I understand it might be a challenge, so go ahead and take it.

2) This is actually great news, if the satellites exist solely to support MTTs - and not to earn you money - you can go ahead and remove the rake.
I am going to miss my SNE stars. Oh, wait. I wont. Every other month, I respond to SNE Newsletter pointing out that it is months since I have seen any SNE-related promotion (such as FPP EPT sat with a seat added or All-Star Week used to be)

I just realised that you are just going to jump on my SNE remark, so I want to clarify that I am not mad because the $$$ I am missing in EV of hitting a bonus SNG. I am mad about PokerStars trying really hard not to encourage players to play this particular format (and the $$$ that I am missing because of lower traffic / tougher field).


On a side note, are F50s included? Wording seems ambiguous to me.

Think the Tapie Group may get an assist. Bbfg had the initial suggestion after I posted the FTP2 promos link.

Definitely like Stars version, balances good-sized prizes w/promo $$ still going a long way.

Gramps posted the idea first iirc. But all ideas are IG's ideas. He just hasnt thought of some of them yet.

Hello all,

Unfortunately, this week’s Q&A is a little late, but here it is.
As others have alluded to in this thread, slower Sit&Gos are increasingly struggling with the liquidity compared to the faster variations.

Splitting an already small player pool is not something we are going to do, so unfortunately we have to pass on this suggestion.

Thanks,
Baard

Could we please elimate some of the 9man formats. Its killing the economy with such a large offering for such a small format? As you said urself, the player is already small!

Not sure how others feel, but I think if you were to make only turbo or non-turbo for the 'old formats' I would make the 9m non-turbo and 6m turbos. Trying to keep both alive is probably bad for both in the long run.

Not sure where knockouts would fit in this but I guess the thing that makes the most sense to me is to make 9m KOs turbos for those who really really want to play a 9m turbo. I'd suggest way upping the % of the KO compared to the buyin, it is the one format on stars that is obviously terrible 10%KO means nothing and you could probably do fine in these games pretending there is no knockout at all... I still kinda like my 3max deepstack idea (spamspamspam), maybe you can make the 3m KOs with 50% KO prize and that will cut down a lot of collusion probably.

Fifty50s are included.

You're right that the little 'extras' we give players outside of the formal VIP Club offering are weighted far more towards recreational players than Supernova Elite VIPs these days.

A good example are the value-added VIP satellites to live events. A few years back you might have seen a 1 package added satellite to EPT monte carlo for Supernova Elite VIPs that would attract 10 or so SNE entrants. Now you're more likely to see a VIP Club Bash with 10 packages guaranteed to a live event and a month long satellite structure to try to qualify as many players as possible with small amounts of FPPs, including satellites with overlay.

This is a part of our efforts to shift promotional focus more toward recreational players. We believe this can benefit all players, including SNEs, by growing and maintaining a larger base of overall poker players.

Supernova Elite benefits are still quite substantial and rewarding. There's quite a lot of value to earning and keeping SNE status, especially the 5 FPPs per VPP earned at the tables.

Regarding satellites, not all game types benefit from all promotions. Regular cash SNG do not get a boost when we run a special Sunday Million with a large guarantee or our annual large tournament series, but satellites do.

Cash games have benefited a ton from promos, same with MTTs, it's the SNG section that you neglect.

I see no reason you can not come up with promotions on a pretty good basis to promote SNGs vs your standard cAsh/MTT promos.

You draw so much of the player pool away from us.

You guys did the big game, which promotes cash, have you ever considered doing something similar, however, with SNGs? Or is this 100% no go?

the only thing SNEs should be complaining about, very very much about is that ur rakeback goes down if u earn more then 1 million. this is so ridiculous that a 2M vpp player is rewarded less then a 1 million vpp player. so ****** ridiculous,

expect this to be corrected next year, now we are in an era with cashhypers that 2m+ vpp players will be relatively common

Battle of the Planets is exclusive to SNGs. It awards quite a substantial sum of money.

Yeah, however, you do not promote the promotion well enough. I would say less than 1/4 of people who play SNGs actually know of the promotion. It's rarely promoted.

Do you not think simply adding a BOP score to the cashier box would be helpful. You have stellar rewards, perhaps add MTT leaderboard there as well to help promote that promotion.

I just overall think it's not widely promoted and the promotion in itself is stale. I think like any other format, we need constant new promotions to help spark the recreational players to wanting to play that format. I do not think 1 long steady promotion is the answer. I think it's short term gain from the BOP is solid, however, the long term is failing.

So the payouts for F50 are standard/easy to implement, while satellites are not? I could see you do some kind of shortcut such as multiplying just the seat value and dropping any cash for the bubble guy in the promo calculations, if that is too much work and I am pretty sure every satellite player would understand that.

Rest of your post is a good explanation of you VIP Club policy. I might not be happy but I understand it as a business decision. However, I asked you not to use this as a cover for the fact you dont have a good explanation for excluding the SNG satellites.

So basically, you have MTT team and SNG team (and presumably a cash team as well), both being busy with office politics, interdepartment competitions or w/e and we are just caught in between in the border area. I can tell you no customer of yours cares what department runs what promo. We care for the end product.

Let me turn to the core idea and take this a step forward. We all know that MTTs primarily exist to attract people to cash. Under your logic, MTTs need no promos, just have cash promos and MTT regs will benefit from recs who came for cg and ocassionaly take a shot at MTT.

Obv this idea is plain stupid. It works the other way. They come for the MTT glory and end up spewing their deposit on the side cashgame.

Guess what? It actually works the other way in MTT/SNGsats area too. Promote SNG sats and you end up re-raking quite a few recs money as they end up taking shot at the target MTT.

BoP might award a substantial sum of money to a part of the SNG universe (excluding sats, HU and F50) but your very last post explained, why the money goes the wrong way (directly to the regs, not via recs) so pls pls get rid of it and put the substantial sum of money into a promo that makes sense (such as golden SNG or st like FTP has) and preferably covers all your players.


Seriously, I dont believe I had that many paragraphs to type, as PS is a well-run company in so many aspects.

You make some good points here, some that have been raised in internal conversation about our SNG promotions, however we have not come to a conclusion yet. Should BotP end up staying for the forseeable future, it is likely we will make it more visible in the client.

Regardless, the point stands that SNG are not excluded from promotions. You may not like the steady, weekly nature of BotP as much as the occasional, flashier promotions for ring games but they are there and players do benefit.

Fifty50s have cash payout amounts that are already calculated. Payout out additional cash in multiples of the normal prize amounts is no different than doing so for a normal SNG. Satellites are different.

Satellite SNG are affected by scheduled tournament promotions because they drive players to try to qualify for the large events. This is based on customer behavior, not office politics.

cmon man, you just had scoop with so many extra satties running. How is making it possible to do 1mln vpps in a scoop month not a sattie promotion???

A few friends and I were chatting about poker, SnGs and promos yesterday and one of them (a very fishy recreational) came up with an idea that I quite liked the sound of and thought I would share with everyone.

The basic idea is to eliminate the BOP and replace it with a weekly raffle drawing funded by the BOP money. This would allow for approx $60,000 of prize money to be distributed every week.
Tickets would be awarded based on finish positions and just for participating. e.g. 1 ticket for every SnG played. 5 extra tix for a win, 3 extra for 2nd, 1 extra for 3rd etc.

Obviously this could be adjusted for all format configurations similar to how different points are currently awarded for BOP. However, probably not award more based on rake paid, award the same tickets regardless of buy in, this is not rakeback, but a promo to draw players to SnGs.

The raffle could award as many places as deemed desirable ie 1st place $25,000, 2nd place $10,000 3rd $5,000, 4th-100 $100 , 101-1000 $10 or whatever configuration is deemed best suitable. The key would be to have the 1st prize be a significant payout.

This system gives everyone a chance to win, regs have a better chance to win because they will accumulate more tickets, recreationals will have a legitimate chance to win, even just by playing 1 SnG a week and will not feel as if they have no chance at all as is the current case with BOP. Awards can be made to as many places as felt appropriate but the big 1st place prize gives even the biggest fish the chance of a major score and imagine the potential advertising opportunities when some fish who only plays a couple $1.50s a week hits the big score.

One of the reasons recreationals are not particularly attracted to SnGs is that they lack the potential of a Big Score that MTTs have, this promo would create a realistic opportunity for that Big Score for any player, even the most recreational of recreationals.

I cant imagine that there would be a single player on the site who would not play at least 1 SnG every week just to give themselves a chance at the Big Score.

Oh and I thought a good name for the promo, could be the SnG Big Score in case you hadnt guessed.

again you benefiting regulars vs recreational.

Dislike

Seems stupid to give players that play 1.50s same opporotunity that a 500 sng does.

BotP again. Flogging a dead horse probably but here goes.

Problem with BotP
1 - It is extremely difficult for a recreational player to win any sort of prize never mind winning a ticket to the shootout.
2 - The shootout itself is an expensive reward for the elite players at the top of the sng food chain as these are the players who can consistently win tickets.

My solution would be
1 - Remove Shootout
2 - Remove Jupiter
3 - Prizepool redistribution vastly increasing the number of winners

Redistribution would make this promotion far more rec friendly and at the same time also improve it for the great majority of regs. Below is an image of what redistribution could look like with the same spending model.

^This definitely wouldn't work because high orbit players literally do not make any money before rakeback and many of the highest buyin players would not profit if it were not for bop (basically additional rakeback).

Basiclly what he said^^

The purpose of BotP should not be to provide life support to high end games.

Kill the high end games and you lose a ton of money for stars, aka, not happening.