30$ 45players PSKO has a 4.6% rake and it's turbo . That is reasonable. BUT
25$ 18players SKO has a 7.3% rake and it's hyper. This does not make any sense.


18 hypers are welcome but please take a look at rake %. It's ridiculous to have a 10% rake at 5$ hyper and less at turbo.

The $30 45-man PSKO is classified as hyper in the lobby as it has 3-minute blind levels (most hypers have 2-minute, turbos - 5-minute levels).

The rake difference between it and the $25 18-man makes little sense to me too; I suppose that the lower rake and slower structure are in place in order to encourage traffic which is currently almost nonexistent in the 45-mans (why?).

They are both classified as hyper but there is a big difference between 100bb starting stack, 3min blinds vs 10bb starting stack, 2 min blinds. The rake difference does not make much sense.
Also the blind structure is messy. It starts at 20% ante and goes down to 10% ante.

Well, I'll be quite happy if I break even before VIP rewards in the 18-man SKOs

That would still yield a decent hourly due to the sheer number of games that can be played in an hour.

What I slightly dislike about the payout structure is that the bounties are smaller than half the full buy-in and the guaranteed payout for the first place (= regular payout + 2 bounties) is smaller than 4 full buy-ins. I find it important that, as per the trend set by Spin & Gos and bwin.party's Sit & Go Hero, bounties and prizes should be each worth an integer or semi-integer number of full buy-ins or a bit more, so that recreationals who cash in a couple of SnGs can play one more (or as many more as possible) without redepositing.

For example:

$10 = $4.17 + $5 + $0.83 (bounty = 0.5 BI)
Regular prize pool = $4.17 * 18 = $75.06
1st place - $30.03 (3 BIs)
2nd place - $25.02 (2.5 BIs)
3rd place - $20.01 (2 BIs)

Or, if such bounties seem too big, they can be made a bit more than 1/3 BI:

$10 = $5.84 + $3.34 + $0.82
Regular prize pool = $5.84 * 18 = $105.12
1st place - $53.35
2nd place - $31.75
3rd place - $20.02

(so that 1st place + 2 bounties > $60 and 2nd + 1 bounty > $35).

Pokerplayers: Hypers should have less rake than turbos.

Amaya: Oh, yeah youre right. Need to increase rake in turbos.

Yeah, we should be careful with our wishes

To clarify, the bold part applies to $10s but not $25s.

To this end, as it is (i.e. the buy-in being $4.57+$4.57+$0.86), I'd prefer the 1st place prize in $10 18-man SKOs to be at least $30.86 (= $40 - 2 * $4.57).

1st place - $30.86
2nd place - $30.86
3rd place - $20.54

(the general formula for this purpose, should Stars decide to change the rake, is of course: 1st_prize >= rake + 3 * full_BI)

Since you are testing these 18man hypers which affect the 18man turbo quite a lot, why not test something like 180man rebuy 9.5+0.5 ?
See what impact it has. Right now there are barely any rebuy sngs available.

lol; I guess its designed to keep you playing for longer so that you get bored and play more games. Stars using all the tricks to pull in that extra $$ .

So has anyone managed to play any 30$ - 180man PKO?
I registred it every day but seems it doesn`t load, it gets 50 players at best.

No but I've been in two $30 45 hypers that have both gone off at totally off peak morning time of the day for some odd reason. Prob housebot peak to move games along

You're prob spot on but what is their scam reason for making every MTT SNG (or at least the ones I'm in) bubble last 95 levels and double every shortie up 7000 times ?? That's not getting more rake out of us in fact it just makes me rage quit. I remember when they first introduced bb1000 into 18-mans around the tme ante at the start came in aswell I believe, rarely would a game even get to bb1k. Now it's every single ****ing one. lying bastards

I would like to see a $5 1R1A 180man with 8 min blinds increase. It's a good MTT structure (non turbo) for those who like the game but don't have the time to go through giant fields.

I personally would love to see the regular 11$ 180 PSKO back, they were awesome.

The 7.1$ 36ppl sng satellite to Sunday million is no longer available in lobby. I guess because of the SCOOP 04.

Do you really though adding 2x $30 Turbos PSKO 180s SNGs will increase their traffic?

lol

$7.1 36 man sattys are back even for the scoop milly

I also laughed at the double $30 PSKO

If you want to add more PKO SNGS then why not add a $20-$30 90man PKO since these formats already have a basis with the £5 and $11 games rather than adding a random PKO in a format that does not cater for that style

I think the consensus is that the progressive bounty feature is necessary only for >=45-man SnGs, where conventional bounties would constitute only a small part of the prize pool at stake at the final table; for smaller SnGs, the non-progressive super-KO format works decently and is less confusing to beginners.

Edit: oops, somehow I read the '90man' in the previous post as '9-man', hence my rant... I agree that the liquidity split between the $30 quasi-hyper 45-man and the turbo 180-man makes little sense and a united 90-man would run more often, and also, it looks strange to me that the $11 90-man is not for $10 instead; there is some benefit from the bounty size being exactly $5, but as it's a PKO, the bounty sizes become non-round in the middle stage of the tourney anyway.

add a 22$, 25$, or 30$ stake 90m PSKO. there is already a 5, and an 11 which run quite freuqently. Right now there are 10 11s running Im sure a few would run higher than this

well tbh it would be fine if it were raked properly which it is currently not

15$ 180man taken out or it just me/specific hours?

Specific hours, just after 15:00 EET.

How about a $100 9man ko? the $50's seem to be doing ok

Also get rid of the 180man pko and swap it for a $27 90man pko!