To follow up - having spoken with tech - Can you check your date & time settings and send me a screenshot via PM please
We can then help validate if it is a local setting issue versus a product issue

That all sounds great guys but the truth is that I (and probably a lot more rec players) just don't want to open the lobby even, it just hurts the eyes

But I can barely wait for end of November to see the new (hopefully improved) lobby

wow, nice additons to the low stakes schedule- you are getting there!

thanks very much for the new tournaments, they look good, any chance you could make a few of them 6 max?

Yeah, the new additions look nice, please remember about the Sunday versions.

Agreed some great additions, thanks for listening! Some may overlay early on but I’m sure once word spreads u have a micro schedule again they will be fine

So siq, there s some positivity ITT z0mg

Ok since those are being rolled out, I'd like to ask you all how you'd like to see them spread. We've had some serious debate in the group already over this, and haven't reached a final consensus yet.

We have quite some options, so I'm gonna lay out what we've been arguing about

1) How many different timeslots should we use in an hour?
2) By how much time should we spread those buy ins?
3) How should we group those buy ins they have the least chance of cannibalizing each other? We basically have 1/2/5/11/22/55/109/215/530 as buy ins now.

In the coming days, I'm hopeful we will also see some guaranteed increases on the newly introduced midstakes tournaments, and a few changes to the current clocks. Please let us know your thoughts.

1) 4
2) 15 mins~
3) like this imo:
(x = hour)
x:00 = $530, $55, $5 (also some $3 maybe)
x:15 = $109, $11, $1 (also some $3 maybe)
x:30 = $215, $22, $2 (also some $4 maybe)
x:45 = ($320, $33, $3 (also some $7,50 maybe))

Also please not more than 2h late reg

Remember when Stars tournaments used to have 1 hour late reg as default and 2 hour late reg for big tournaments? That was something.

Nowadays with bloated late registration all you achieve is meaningless stages of the tournament taking forever at the cost of late stages. Or tournament being way too long for most recs. 4 hours is just insane and not excusable.

this looks perfect

This looks great.
Please add some of the new 1$-3$ MTT-s to earlier CET times too. At the moment there are only 0.22$, 0.55$, 1$ and 5.50$

Major ****ing issue which is mega tilting:

When multi-tabling with small tables it's impossible to quickly check which tournament you are about to make a decision in. In the box surrounding the table (not sure what the technical name for this is) it must say $109 xxxx or $55 yyyy in the top left. Right now it'll say "Heavyweight:...".

When every ****ing tournament basically has the same name you can't just know which heavyweight you're in. PLEASE FIX THIS ASAP. It's forcing me to only play 4 or so tables so I can easily tell which is which when I want to be playing 12 tables and give you more rake.

Also...

FOUR HOURS OF LATE REG?? Come on, that is ridiculous.

The awesome thing about your structures is that there are practically no "meaningless" levels. But when you have 4 hours of late reg you are now negating that quality and making early "big pots" much less significant.

4 hours of late reg is GREEDY AND IRRESPONSIBLE!

18:00 - 21:00 CET looks great for all buyin levels , on par with winamax imo .

14:00 - 18:00 is kinda meh for low-midstakes .
22:00 - 1:00 am basically only worth playing if you bust everything early because of the non-existant turbo timebanks .

Believe me, I've been fighting the non-existent turbo timebank issue in the group I found myself timing out quite a bit as well, so hopefully this will be fixed soon. It was introduced after feedback from mainly recreational players that they hate the endless timebanking, but now I think it's too short, so let's hope we can find some middle ground there.

Appreciate the feedback. Bear in mind though that it would be kind of weird when your absolute flagship of the day (uppercut) would be in a xx:15 slot. You see it's not that easy, and we have to take into account so many different variables before coming to an agreement.

To be able to nicely spread the tournaments I think the latereg of some tournaments should be shortened. I believe that party has a significant amount of Canadian players which you want to give the opportunity to late reg majors around 24:00 cet? Then I think it would be a good idea to keep the late reg from the biggest majors (the 20:00 cet games) at 20 levels. However I would suggest to shorten the late reg / delete some levels in the other games to 15 levels. This way we can push / fully utilize the 2100 cet slot as well, as right now I think with the 20 late reg levels the 2100 cet is slot is already too late to play a $109+ for a central european time zone recreational player and for the regs that don't want to go to bed too late. (With the current structure late reg for $109+ (with the 12 minute levels) would end sometime like 1:15-1:30 if the tournament starts at 2100 I believe and the tournament would simply take too long.)

I don't think we need a $109, $530, $215 every hour. So I don't think we necessarily have to lock them on a different minute mark to prevent them from cannabilizing. To me having a 00:00 and 00:30 would do the job. Maybe you can use 00:15 for sats then.

Peak could look something like this than;
18:00 $1, $11, $109, $530 (mini jab, jab, uppercut, highroller warm ups)
18:30 $1, $11, $55, (brawls warm up)
19:00 $2, $22, $215* (mini contender, contender, eliminator warm up)
19:30 $5 mini counterpunch, $55 counterpunch
20:00 $1, $11, $109, $530 (mini jab, jab, uppercut, highroller)
20:30 $1, $11, $55 (brawls)
21:00 $2, $22, $215 (mini contender, contender, eliminator)

* Maybe the eliminator warm up could be considered to start at 18:30, to let the late reg interfer less with the peak major variant. But it would eventually canabilize the 18:00 flight a bit. You could maybe even consider making it an ultra deep eliminator which even starts before the 18:00 shift (like 17:00-17:30 but not sure if that's an nice idea. It would spice up the tournament types a bit at least. I have also tought about maybe making the eliminator warm up a psko edition, but not sure how nice that is and whether it would do well next to the $55 brawl.

**Note that the $1 and $11 mini jab and brawl are only 30 minutes away from each other, but I don't see this as a problem because the one is a regular and the other is a psko.

*** I think maybe having 4 $11s vs 1 $5 is not optimal. However next $5 could be held at 21:30 and the 17:00 and 17:30 spot are also available to draft something nice. This was just a raw draft of what I think could be a descent schedule with the games that are currently offered.

**** Also in future when adding $3,$8,$33,$44,$320,$1k or whatever you could always add the :15 slot for non sats as well and move around a bit again.

Can u add another 109-->530 sat at 19.00 CET on Thursday?
On Tuesday and Sunday there's a 5 tkt gtd, but on Thursday not even a 1 tkt gtd

Dear,

Great news i just logged into the client and noticed the new tournaments, surely will be playing all of them and hopefully give some feedback tomorrow.

i personally think the guarenteees should be lowered abit tho (not sure if 1k gtd and 2k gtd can be met at 01:00 and 02:00 am).

very happy to see some changes tho.

Colette you might inform Bwin that some promos are still displaying their times as CEST. I'm looking at a page right now with 3 different timezones! :P

All,

A plethora of new branded 1/2/5$ tournaments are now in the lobby. As always was the plan to add micro games, doing it this way strategically made more sense as they can have more "order" and structure than just random tournaments called freeze outs. We will monitor the start times/guarantees over the next week or two and make optimised adjustments when need be.

We are one step closer to a perfect schedule, but we're aware there are steps that need to be taken to get there.

Again, moving forward we will look to do things in clunks and chunks with correct branding ability rather than placing tournaments in because there is a demand. We want to build long term schedule not something that is thrown in because there are people ready to play. The initial rake that we lose on tournaments not being there for a week is increased a lot by having tournaments that can grow long term.

Sunday see's an increase in guarantees.

Have been in the office today, changes are all in and there is some VERY cool stuff coming in both the short and medium term future. The long term vision is coming together.

Next up is Powerfest, the schedule has already been created in full, I will work on it in the upcoming days and hopefully can get a schedule to you guys some time at the end of the month/December to have a look at and critique.

Keep the faith

I like Jepser's suggestions. IMO the fewer different start times the better - just keep it simple. On the hour and :30 is perfect. Just gets pointless & confusing when mtts are starting every 5 minutes.

Given the main mtts go on for 7+ hours (and have 4 hours late reg), I don't see how staggering start times within a one hour period would improve cannibalizing that much. I'd stick with simplicity.

IMO current schedule is spot on

this is exactly the approach i don't want to do. if somebody posts wanting something and a site implements it the next day that doesn't mean its the optimal thing to do. taking all the feedback into a long term vision and then implementing and improving is the (in our opinion) best way to do it.

in terms of software, obviously thats completely out of my hands, but work with development team regularly and give as much feedback as possible. I've shown glimpses of the new software to think tank team and overwhelming feedback is its looking great. By the end of the month will be new lobby, by end of December hopefully the table is here. I have said this a lot and one guy in the thread has asked 3 times when new software is coming since then.

again, i think was more of a misunderstanding here. i have never said that we don't want to have lower stakes games, we realised the schedule was a little flawed, instead of just fixing one tournament at a time, guy posting on 2p2 asking for a tournament and us saying sure and adding it later we wanted to come more from long term pov. Like I said in previous posts we want and WILL add larger fields low/micro stake games and just to give a little bit of time, monster series finished less than 1 week ago and now the new games are in.

We just ask for a little bit of patience. We do appreciate the feedback. In terms of things being somebodies fault, thats what I want, Collete and party reps do amazing job, if there is low amount of tournaments whilst new ones are being worked on like this week I really don't mind being called x/y/z, I know all the team is doing great job and working around the clock, like I said in last post though, people in the industry aren't paid to be called ******s or crayon eaters or whatever else and we don't need to sink to that level giving feedback, it will only result in counter productiveness.

New games looks good and are spread nicely. I also like balance between regular tournaments and PKOs.

It is good you are ambitious with gtd and try to challenge stars in low/micro offering.

Quick suggestion: don't forget to send promo e-mails that you have introduced new micro schedule.

Check level length of regspeeds: currently $11 and $1 have 8 minute lvl while $2 and $5 10 minute lvl (don't think that $2 and $5 should be slower than $11). Better give them 8 min lvl or variable 8/10.

Check level length of turbos: currently $11 and $1 turbos have 6 min lvl while $2 and $5 turbos have 8 min lvl. All turbos should be 6 min lvl.

Yeah, thanks for pointing that out. Already mentioned it as well.