****Official PartyPoker/Bwin 2015 MTT Discussion Thread****
09-12-2017
, 08:59 PM
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pads it's good that a lot of work is going into all of this, its appreciated. It just seems obvious to me though that so many players are screaming out for things like more buy ins, different tournaments, structures etc, that there is almost no downside to taking some of the suggestions we have given, people are clearly not happy with the current schedule.
Sure, we actually have a "new schedule" that has been created that just needs tweaks here and there, problem is implementing it with lower guarantees during summer wasnt the GTO way and then immediately after we have powerfest, if we know in say May we need a new schedule, even if we can create it then, sometimes we cant implement for 3 months between of seasonality. Imagine for example stars created the b109 whenever, starting it in June wouldnt be very good as you want the new tournament to have a lot of buzz around it etc.
Why does it need a "test" of another series to try different things? Other sites post new tournaments in a matter of days and are snap successful. Are you suggesting that the series must perform well for you to implement new tournaments? What would be the point of this thread if nothing changes?
No, I'm saying that implementing a new buy in size is nice during a festival, our software will also hopefully be able to have filter by buy in size like 55-530 instead of medium/high etc which will help. I know a lot of people would never even see a $55 in todays current lobby
Sure, we actually have a "new schedule" that has been created that just needs tweaks here and there, problem is implementing it with lower guarantees during summer wasnt the GTO way and then immediately after we have powerfest, if we know in say May we need a new schedule, even if we can create it then, sometimes we cant implement for 3 months between of seasonality. Imagine for example stars created the b109 whenever, starting it in June wouldnt be very good as you want the new tournament to have a lot of buzz around it etc.
Why does it need a "test" of another series to try different things? Other sites post new tournaments in a matter of days and are snap successful. Are you suggesting that the series must perform well for you to implement new tournaments? What would be the point of this thread if nothing changes?
No, I'm saying that implementing a new buy in size is nice during a festival, our software will also hopefully be able to have filter by buy in size like 55-530 instead of medium/high etc which will help. I know a lot of people would never even see a $55 in todays current lobby
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You would think adding all these hstake tournaments is more of a risk and you would build liquidity from the micros up but you guys seem to have done the opposite.
the high stakes tournament are pretty consistent and only improving, those players were probably the easest to acquire, but to have a successful ecosystem, you need to have buy in structures that people can successfully move up stakes as they progress on their poker journey
Thats good news about making addtions if the micro series is a success, which it will be for sure because its all the tournaments the majority want.
I hope so yes
Problem for me personally ill never play more than 1 or 2 tables at party because i have a mac and the software for mac is awful with no dates of when there will be improvements.
That will be coming, and I as a Mac user for 5+ years definitely know your pain.
the high stakes tournament are pretty consistent and only improving, those players were probably the easest to acquire, but to have a successful ecosystem, you need to have buy in structures that people can successfully move up stakes as they progress on their poker journey
Thats good news about making addtions if the micro series is a success, which it will be for sure because its all the tournaments the majority want.
I hope so yes
Problem for me personally ill never play more than 1 or 2 tables at party because i have a mac and the software for mac is awful with no dates of when there will be improvements.
That will be coming, and I as a Mac user for 5+ years definitely know your pain.
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Pads try listening to this forum as it's not reading from the same script that you are. I don't hear people praise much of anything that has been accomplished by Party. I'm reading the same complaints that we've been reading for a year and nothing has changed... (small improvement in lobby).
The forum will never read from the same script, no matter what happens, ever there will always be people posting every day for stuff they want to see, different people want different things. We cant make everything happen overnight, but like I said, weve gone from $5m to $35m in 18 months in online series, our live series are a complete success bringing in a lot of new people to the site but I am the last person in the world who would say its a success yet, I am the sites biggest fan and biggest critic I promise
Bots/ Scripts/ Leaderboard flaws/ Leaderboard collusion/ House staked players through a proxy/ boring MTT schedules/ poor mtt pricepoints/ a tough lobby to navigate/ ticket expiries... these are issues that 95% of the player base want fixed. You seem intent on fixing the issues for the other 5% which explain the rise in the Powerfest Guarantees.
All of that stuff is being worked on I promise, I know the guys who are working eith the leaderboards, I speak to them every day. Bots/Scripts etc I can't comment on for legal stuff, but again, massive strides are being made in those areas too. MTT schedule can seem stale to some I understand, but again is getting bigger and bigger every week and progress in numbers can definitely been seen. We could run lower field size webcam tournaments and do some fun stuff like that, but the initial goal was to get high prizepool, high runner tournaments and get good liquidity and then start implementing different price points. I think we've gotten to the level of good liquidity in tournaments and now the goal is to get to an ambitious liquidity with exciting new promotions for EVERYBODY and new buy in price points.
It's true that Parties powerfest has gone from 8 million to 35 million but what has changed to accomplish this?
You've managed to sway high stakes regs from Stars to play on Party because you offer:
This group of players now get 40-50% rb as opposed to nearly none 1 year ago.
Are you suggesting that the powerfest has gone from 8m to 35m because of a rakeback system? I really doubt that a tournament series would add 500% prizepools because of rakeback system, the majority of MTT players I know barely care about rakeback. We do "click and collect" promos where people get money for nothing on the site every day and they build their way up, we have a lot of players coming in from our live tournaments where they choose to get money on their accounts, we have a LOT of new sponsored pros with big fan basing and followings who want to come and play here like Fedor for example, we have the highest stake games on the internet where people rail Tony G and isildur, IMO and I might be wrong, all of this is why the prizepools have grown, not the rakeback system.
From a profit standpoint Party has probably lost money due to these changes despite more players... and what happens when these incentives are taken away. I mean do you really think this group of winning high stake players are going to stay loyal when the carrot gets taken away? Furthermore where did some of this promo fund come from in the 1st place? RB is now 0% for 95% of the player base. RB will remain at 0% for any desirable player (business wise) whom joins the site. Ticket expiries etc. all harm that same subset of players... and when I say subset I mean 95% of the player base whom may not spend every waking moment trying to interpret the various pitfalls on how Party might separate them from their tickets without playing them.
Our goal isn't to take tickets off people and to scounge money that way, its for people to play satalites to win tickets to play tournaments, I understand why people would be annoyed though.
If you gave an even semi intelligent person with a moderate understanding of Online Poker a quarter of the budget that has been shelled out over the past year and you'd see a far greater growth in unique players that are ok with depositing and losing money. You don't have much of those players on Party. And once the promo carpet gets pulled by the execs we will find out just how loyal this 5% crowd truly are. Because this gravy train can't last forever.
I think you are massively overestimating how many people are playing on the site because of rakeback vs everything else, but i already touched on this ^ so wont' repeat myself there.
Bryan's tourney series will be extremely successful btw. I know by his history that the necessary Satellites and MTT Structures will be in place to make it such. There's no need for a test. People who know this business can look at the offering and know in advance how the market will react. So no need to wait a month. Add decent price points asap.
I'm glad you're as confident about it as I am. I know you know what you're talking about with online poker, feel free to write to me on skype anytime and would try my best to get your suggestions that I agree with to be pushed over the table. The good thing about party poker is the people who work there really care, they work so much, and their hearts are very much on the job of making the site number 1 in world.
The forum will never read from the same script, no matter what happens, ever there will always be people posting every day for stuff they want to see, different people want different things. We cant make everything happen overnight, but like I said, weve gone from $5m to $35m in 18 months in online series, our live series are a complete success bringing in a lot of new people to the site but I am the last person in the world who would say its a success yet, I am the sites biggest fan and biggest critic I promise
Bots/ Scripts/ Leaderboard flaws/ Leaderboard collusion/ House staked players through a proxy/ boring MTT schedules/ poor mtt pricepoints/ a tough lobby to navigate/ ticket expiries... these are issues that 95% of the player base want fixed. You seem intent on fixing the issues for the other 5% which explain the rise in the Powerfest Guarantees.
All of that stuff is being worked on I promise, I know the guys who are working eith the leaderboards, I speak to them every day. Bots/Scripts etc I can't comment on for legal stuff, but again, massive strides are being made in those areas too. MTT schedule can seem stale to some I understand, but again is getting bigger and bigger every week and progress in numbers can definitely been seen. We could run lower field size webcam tournaments and do some fun stuff like that, but the initial goal was to get high prizepool, high runner tournaments and get good liquidity and then start implementing different price points. I think we've gotten to the level of good liquidity in tournaments and now the goal is to get to an ambitious liquidity with exciting new promotions for EVERYBODY and new buy in price points.
It's true that Parties powerfest has gone from 8 million to 35 million but what has changed to accomplish this?
You've managed to sway high stakes regs from Stars to play on Party because you offer:
This group of players now get 40-50% rb as opposed to nearly none 1 year ago.
Are you suggesting that the powerfest has gone from 8m to 35m because of a rakeback system? I really doubt that a tournament series would add 500% prizepools because of rakeback system, the majority of MTT players I know barely care about rakeback. We do "click and collect" promos where people get money for nothing on the site every day and they build their way up, we have a lot of players coming in from our live tournaments where they choose to get money on their accounts, we have a LOT of new sponsored pros with big fan basing and followings who want to come and play here like Fedor for example, we have the highest stake games on the internet where people rail Tony G and isildur, IMO and I might be wrong, all of this is why the prizepools have grown, not the rakeback system.
From a profit standpoint Party has probably lost money due to these changes despite more players... and what happens when these incentives are taken away. I mean do you really think this group of winning high stake players are going to stay loyal when the carrot gets taken away? Furthermore where did some of this promo fund come from in the 1st place? RB is now 0% for 95% of the player base. RB will remain at 0% for any desirable player (business wise) whom joins the site. Ticket expiries etc. all harm that same subset of players... and when I say subset I mean 95% of the player base whom may not spend every waking moment trying to interpret the various pitfalls on how Party might separate them from their tickets without playing them.
Our goal isn't to take tickets off people and to scounge money that way, its for people to play satalites to win tickets to play tournaments, I understand why people would be annoyed though.
If you gave an even semi intelligent person with a moderate understanding of Online Poker a quarter of the budget that has been shelled out over the past year and you'd see a far greater growth in unique players that are ok with depositing and losing money. You don't have much of those players on Party. And once the promo carpet gets pulled by the execs we will find out just how loyal this 5% crowd truly are. Because this gravy train can't last forever.
I think you are massively overestimating how many people are playing on the site because of rakeback vs everything else, but i already touched on this ^ so wont' repeat myself there.
Bryan's tourney series will be extremely successful btw. I know by his history that the necessary Satellites and MTT Structures will be in place to make it such. There's no need for a test. People who know this business can look at the offering and know in advance how the market will react. So no need to wait a month. Add decent price points asap.
I'm glad you're as confident about it as I am. I know you know what you're talking about with online poker, feel free to write to me on skype anytime and would try my best to get your suggestions that I agree with to be pushed over the table. The good thing about party poker is the people who work there really care, they work so much, and their hearts are very much on the job of making the site number 1 in world.
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Well, this may seem a bit of ranting now that I read it, but I think Patrick should get some real honest answers instead of Fairytale stuff. He's a hardcore business man after all.
What tilts me most that there's been lots and lots of simple requests that would help for example with problems like lobby being crowded @30+ tournaments starting at the really same time, like 20:00 CET. Simple solution: differentiate starting times a bit, like CPP satellites launching :05 instead of :00. Much easier to find when you learn at which time slot they start and won't require any software updates. I don't even start with how rebuys were handled and killed, that was such a sad state of affairs. How summertime 1 pkg low / 2 pkg medium LBs were handled was just a complete disgrace.
I was mostly away from the discussions with leaderboards, I passed on suggestions in here, but it went kind of like. Group 1, suggest we should change, we think and change, Group 2 is then like NONONONONO move it back and then we're like ****. We are not experts at leaderboards and tried to run them as best as possible, I think for the next time whats important is to have a meeting with the players first. The guys who won the most packages, the guys who won 1 package and the guys who just missed oout on packages, take all of the info, get as much discussion as possible and then decide on a fair way. I like to defend a lot of things that I disagree with people saying, but I think for next leaderboard that would be the best way and will push for that to happen.
Currently there's like 1 tournament for each buy-in level that actually has a good guaranteed (5,5 Jab, 11 Brawler, 22 Contender, 55 Brawler, 109 Uppercut). All other have been withered, high stakes schedule has especially suffered because you have stuffed too much unpopular tournaments around. 109 PKO and 215 PKO starting at the same time and 55 PKO and 109 PKO starting at the same time etc. Fridays are super ultra sad, with Uppercut and HR also being PKO.
Yes, agree with this. Especially going from amazing powerfest guarantees > summer guarantees it looks very bad, in comparison to our nearest rivals I still think it was OK, but definitely not GTO. Moving forward, I hope through the new promos we have coming up that our liquidity will be able to stand the testof times during all seasons and we will be able to get players to move their way up through the buy in levels easier (more buy in levels)
Making 1 or 2 single PLO tournaments from freezeout to re-entry after suggestions is great, but there's really lots of problems with Party currently that could easily be fixed without major overhaul. And it would really be much better if you would be open to feedback pre-series instead of making corrections after series has started.
Yes, feedback thread for next powerfest looks good, we like to have the surprise effect of powerfest guarantees and other sites are now not posting their schedules for feedback, waiting for ours to be posted first. But imo, fk that, lets do what is right and the guys who are playing every day will find small errors that we can't find.
How long are we supposed to give credit and belief about the change 3 big re-entries being introduced two years back? Such a huge job to add 3 tournaments at the prime time. Although I appreciate that you were somewhat resilient to keep them on while they did overlay quite a bit during first few month).
Sorry, I don't understand this :/
Best we've got after Colette gave up delivering MTT feedback directly to MTT people and let OSS had it has been "We'll look into it" + "Nothing." Usually simply "nothing". And there seems to be a small circle of same-minded people advicing OSS who give advices that seem actually far worse than current situation.
The feedback does go to the team, I write each one to them (unless it doesn't make logical sense) and they also read the thread too. Like I said we discuss 2 hours+/day including all feedback from the thread. Some things are quick fixes (make plo 6m) some are not (add 3 new buy in levels)
I don't think guaranteeds in Powerfest are bad, they're quite great. Daily guaranteeds are quite bad outside 19:00 CET and 20:00 CET flagship tournaments. Series schedule is just ultra boring. Like your daily schedule in general, especially if you prefer something else than non-hold'em games.
Yes, we don't offer mixed games right now, tbh, there is so much stuff going on and that needs little tweaks or a lot of focus that I think for long term, adding small gte o8 tournaments isnt the best way. Once the lobby is improved a little bit more and we trial a o8 tournament during perhaps Brian series and it gets numbers then maybe its good. So far we have 2 "larger" guarantee PLO powerfest and both have overlaid despite being somewhat small (20k) what do you think about adding a $530 PLO HR once a week and seeing how it goes? What gte? What day?
Really looking forward for this "test series" Bryan is arranging, though really being honest limit games with 75% PKO seem really bad idea. Better have intuitive series with probably few rigged tournaments than safe and boring vanilla series all the time.
P. S. Yeah love T-shirts as was expecting nothing instead. Some customization would be great (it of course costs), like:
- Back could be:
#1
"Player nickname"
And it could also show which event player has won. Even a little bit of customization would be great to make T-shirts truly unique.
Also would look great if they would be like football shirts instead of basic T-shirt.
Yes, I push hard for each winner to get some form of Belt, maybe I'm weird, but I think a Belt for being a champion of a tournament is great. On the t-shirts at minimum it should have screen name + tournament, thats not really something I'm really involved in, but can pass that on of course.
P. P. S. To give some credit live poker tours and satellite offering seem great, but I am just not the target market. Prefer grinding online, maybe some more tournaments offering day1 / day 2 online well in advance would make me to participate in more of them.
Yes, they are some of the biggest drivers of our traffic atm.
What tilts me most that there's been lots and lots of simple requests that would help for example with problems like lobby being crowded @30+ tournaments starting at the really same time, like 20:00 CET. Simple solution: differentiate starting times a bit, like CPP satellites launching :05 instead of :00. Much easier to find when you learn at which time slot they start and won't require any software updates. I don't even start with how rebuys were handled and killed, that was such a sad state of affairs. How summertime 1 pkg low / 2 pkg medium LBs were handled was just a complete disgrace.
I was mostly away from the discussions with leaderboards, I passed on suggestions in here, but it went kind of like. Group 1, suggest we should change, we think and change, Group 2 is then like NONONONONO move it back and then we're like ****. We are not experts at leaderboards and tried to run them as best as possible, I think for the next time whats important is to have a meeting with the players first. The guys who won the most packages, the guys who won 1 package and the guys who just missed oout on packages, take all of the info, get as much discussion as possible and then decide on a fair way. I like to defend a lot of things that I disagree with people saying, but I think for next leaderboard that would be the best way and will push for that to happen.
Currently there's like 1 tournament for each buy-in level that actually has a good guaranteed (5,5 Jab, 11 Brawler, 22 Contender, 55 Brawler, 109 Uppercut). All other have been withered, high stakes schedule has especially suffered because you have stuffed too much unpopular tournaments around. 109 PKO and 215 PKO starting at the same time and 55 PKO and 109 PKO starting at the same time etc. Fridays are super ultra sad, with Uppercut and HR also being PKO.
Yes, agree with this. Especially going from amazing powerfest guarantees > summer guarantees it looks very bad, in comparison to our nearest rivals I still think it was OK, but definitely not GTO. Moving forward, I hope through the new promos we have coming up that our liquidity will be able to stand the testof times during all seasons and we will be able to get players to move their way up through the buy in levels easier (more buy in levels)
Making 1 or 2 single PLO tournaments from freezeout to re-entry after suggestions is great, but there's really lots of problems with Party currently that could easily be fixed without major overhaul. And it would really be much better if you would be open to feedback pre-series instead of making corrections after series has started.
Yes, feedback thread for next powerfest looks good, we like to have the surprise effect of powerfest guarantees and other sites are now not posting their schedules for feedback, waiting for ours to be posted first. But imo, fk that, lets do what is right and the guys who are playing every day will find small errors that we can't find.
How long are we supposed to give credit and belief about the change 3 big re-entries being introduced two years back? Such a huge job to add 3 tournaments at the prime time. Although I appreciate that you were somewhat resilient to keep them on while they did overlay quite a bit during first few month).
Sorry, I don't understand this :/
Best we've got after Colette gave up delivering MTT feedback directly to MTT people and let OSS had it has been "We'll look into it" + "Nothing." Usually simply "nothing". And there seems to be a small circle of same-minded people advicing OSS who give advices that seem actually far worse than current situation.
The feedback does go to the team, I write each one to them (unless it doesn't make logical sense) and they also read the thread too. Like I said we discuss 2 hours+/day including all feedback from the thread. Some things are quick fixes (make plo 6m) some are not (add 3 new buy in levels)
I don't think guaranteeds in Powerfest are bad, they're quite great. Daily guaranteeds are quite bad outside 19:00 CET and 20:00 CET flagship tournaments. Series schedule is just ultra boring. Like your daily schedule in general, especially if you prefer something else than non-hold'em games.
Yes, we don't offer mixed games right now, tbh, there is so much stuff going on and that needs little tweaks or a lot of focus that I think for long term, adding small gte o8 tournaments isnt the best way. Once the lobby is improved a little bit more and we trial a o8 tournament during perhaps Brian series and it gets numbers then maybe its good. So far we have 2 "larger" guarantee PLO powerfest and both have overlaid despite being somewhat small (20k) what do you think about adding a $530 PLO HR once a week and seeing how it goes? What gte? What day?
Really looking forward for this "test series" Bryan is arranging, though really being honest limit games with 75% PKO seem really bad idea. Better have intuitive series with probably few rigged tournaments than safe and boring vanilla series all the time.
P. S. Yeah love T-shirts as was expecting nothing instead. Some customization would be great (it of course costs), like:
- Back could be:
#1
"Player nickname"
And it could also show which event player has won. Even a little bit of customization would be great to make T-shirts truly unique.
Also would look great if they would be like football shirts instead of basic T-shirt.
Yes, I push hard for each winner to get some form of Belt, maybe I'm weird, but I think a Belt for being a champion of a tournament is great. On the t-shirts at minimum it should have screen name + tournament, thats not really something I'm really involved in, but can pass that on of course.
P. P. S. To give some credit live poker tours and satellite offering seem great, but I am just not the target market. Prefer grinding online, maybe some more tournaments offering day1 / day 2 online well in advance would make me to participate in more of them.
Yes, they are some of the biggest drivers of our traffic atm.
09-12-2017
, 09:03 PM
09-12-2017
, 10:09 PM
Well, if you want to try it PLO HR should either be Sunday or Monday. Monday has been general PLO MTT day in the past, Sunday has of course largest traffic but don't know if people has room for one more highstakes tournament. For that reason I would incline to say Monday and maybe later rather add some 55$ PLO Sunday edition 2 re-entries with 10k guaranteed which caters for more players.
530$, 2 re-entries, 30k guaranteed, maybe 21:00 CET starting time placing it between two other highrollers, it shouldn't last far longer than PLO starting 20:00 CET (really bringing back daily 18:00 CET PLO 109$ should be no-brainer after series).
About 2-day events, does Tuesday version last how long if it reaches guaranteed? I am inclined to say go for 1-day event, because if I would have some different plans for Wednesday it would keep me from playing it and I guess it would be same for other players. But if tournament would last like 1-2 hours later than regular 50k Uppercut it isn't so bad. Unlike that $215 1M$ marathon during last series with 17h running time.
By the way, this series is a week longer than earlier ones so it doesn't direectly compare with earlier Powerfests. Nice guaranteed anyway, but not too much higher as during spring (20M with 2 weeks + Sunday vs. 35M 3 weeks + Sunday). We'll see if you grow guaranteed during January and beat TCOOP.
P. S. Could we get even just one regular satellite tree for Powerfest 2,2 -> 8,8 -> 44 -> 215? Current one using stacks moving along requires players to be prepared to spend like 7 hours in a row grinding from 2,2 to 215 and there's 0 other choice if we wish to use our 2,2 tickets.
I got frustrated and threw my chips away at the 8,8 when realized that I would be playing that satellite tree until around 5 AM EET (started playing 10 PM EET, 2nd phase started midnight even as 2,2 satellite ended around 10.45 EET being hyper, 3rd phase with 10 min blinds would have started 2 AM). I guess I was the fish this time by not checking structure
530$, 2 re-entries, 30k guaranteed, maybe 21:00 CET starting time placing it between two other highrollers, it shouldn't last far longer than PLO starting 20:00 CET (really bringing back daily 18:00 CET PLO 109$ should be no-brainer after series).
About 2-day events, does Tuesday version last how long if it reaches guaranteed? I am inclined to say go for 1-day event, because if I would have some different plans for Wednesday it would keep me from playing it and I guess it would be same for other players. But if tournament would last like 1-2 hours later than regular 50k Uppercut it isn't so bad. Unlike that $215 1M$ marathon during last series with 17h running time.
By the way, this series is a week longer than earlier ones so it doesn't direectly compare with earlier Powerfests. Nice guaranteed anyway, but not too much higher as during spring (20M with 2 weeks + Sunday vs. 35M 3 weeks + Sunday). We'll see if you grow guaranteed during January and beat TCOOP.
P. S. Could we get even just one regular satellite tree for Powerfest 2,2 -> 8,8 -> 44 -> 215? Current one using stacks moving along requires players to be prepared to spend like 7 hours in a row grinding from 2,2 to 215 and there's 0 other choice if we wish to use our 2,2 tickets.
I got frustrated and threw my chips away at the 8,8 when realized that I would be playing that satellite tree until around 5 AM EET (started playing 10 PM EET, 2nd phase started midnight even as 2,2 satellite ended around 10.45 EET being hyper, 3rd phase with 10 min blinds would have started 2 AM). I guess I was the fish this time by not checking structure
09-12-2017
, 10:19 PM
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AS YOU KNOW (AND YOU USE IT BTW) ALL THIS STUFF ARE FIXED WITH PARTYCAPTION
SO MY QUESTION IS:
WHY THE **** PARTY DONT PARTNER/BUY OUT OR W/E PARTY CAPTION AND INTEGRATE THIS THINGS IN THE SOFTWARE???
is simple as that, party has shown that they have and are willing to invest money so why dont you do the obv simple thing???
AS YOU KNOW (AND YOU USE IT BTW) ALL THIS STUFF ARE FIXED WITH PARTYCAPTION
SO MY QUESTION IS:
WHY THE **** PARTY DONT PARTNER/BUY OUT OR W/E PARTY CAPTION AND INTEGRATE THIS THINGS IN THE SOFTWARE???
is simple as that, party has shown that they have and are willing to invest money so why dont you do the obv simple thing???
09-12-2017
, 10:32 PM
09-12-2017
, 10:53 PM
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Well, the PartyCaption is a nuts. I can hardly imagine playing on Party without it. What impressed me most is that the guy have a thread here on 2+2 and he is capable implementing suggestions from users in that thread super fast (lets say from 3 to 7 days). Dont just buy PartyCaption, but give him a job
HIRE THE CREATORS OF PARTY CAPTION AND LET THEM FIX THE SOFTWARE
09-12-2017
, 11:08 PM
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, 03:24 AM
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, 05:33 AM
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, 06:41 AM
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, 07:40 AM
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, 09:28 AM
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, 09:36 AM
09-13-2017
, 11:47 AM
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About PLO8, a quick suggestion:
$11 PLO8 @19.00 CET 2 re-entry, 10 min blinds and $1000 guaranteed for a start (maybe $2k for Sundays)
$109 PLO8 @19.00 CET 2 re-entry, 12 min blinds and $3000 guaranteed for a start (maybe $5k for Sundays)
If $109 launches it'll never overlay. Just keep it try, it's effectively a freeroll for you. To tell the truth I would never early register but always late register it, like O8 but don't like playing it very deepstacked. That's why I am not actually personally against hyper speed / turbo speed O8 but daily main event could be regular speed.
Ok, will take into consideration, can't promise anything super short term, but will try to get it in somehow/somewhen.
$11 PLO8 @19.00 CET 2 re-entry, 10 min blinds and $1000 guaranteed for a start (maybe $2k for Sundays)
$109 PLO8 @19.00 CET 2 re-entry, 12 min blinds and $3000 guaranteed for a start (maybe $5k for Sundays)
If $109 launches it'll never overlay. Just keep it try, it's effectively a freeroll for you. To tell the truth I would never early register but always late register it, like O8 but don't like playing it very deepstacked. That's why I am not actually personally against hyper speed / turbo speed O8 but daily main event could be regular speed.
Ok, will take into consideration, can't promise anything super short term, but will try to get it in somehow/somewhen.
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Powerfest schedule is beyond dull 
Hey, how many events have you played so far? (i literally have no idea, im not trolling)
If you could make three changes to the schedule to make it "less dull" what would they be, if it makes sense then we can use them for next series.
Hey, how many events have you played so far? (i literally have no idea, im not trolling
) If you could make three changes to the schedule to make it "less dull" what would they be, if it makes sense then we can use them for next series.
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pads the most tilting thing for me is how long party have kept things the same for. It's great you have went from 5m to 35m but in between that time each powerfest series has had the same setup of buy in's, structures etc despite the negative comments about it.
First of all, I'm not sure if you've been playing on the site, each powerfest having the same structures is just not true, there were full new strucutres made from people in this thread. When management read this kind of thing they will just immediately dismiss the rest of it, because they know its not true.
the problem is they are INSANELY popular and successful, people don't stop playing them, more people keep joining them. Think about it this way. You are CEO at PartyPoker, you used to have a $109 that had $10k gte in series, you made some changes to the site, kept with the tournament and it got $50k gte, people complained, but you kept it and raised it to $75k, your forum guy messages you that people want more variety, however you just keep getting more and more people every day and every week until you get to a level where it has gone from $10k to $150k. I understand that some people like gimmicky tournaments, there is a lot of gimmicky stuff all around the internet, webcam tournaments, floppomania, power up and other kinda cool promotions, we think that we are growing because we are appealing to the player that has been neglected for years and years. The rec-reg, the guy who isnt a pro but isnt a recreational, the guy who enjoys poker, good old fashioned, good structure, big guarantee, lots of chips poker. We have managed to get a lot of those guys to transition from our live tours to our online games, remember we have made all games 8 players per table maximum, and if you play at party you will realise the average player in the games plays WAY looser than any other site. I understand that we need different buy in levels, more games at $55, introduce a $33 level and see how it goes, but we must not forget that these games are growing every series because people love them.
I really hope this system of having everything identical is over soon, i literally don't play on the site because of this, there are negative comments about it almost daily and it has run it's course, please just go back to a traditional set up of different tournaments, start times, variety of structures etc.
Ah you dont play on the site, I did think you were a regular, but yes things have changed, try it out, I'm sure you will like it if you try it!
First of all, I'm not sure if you've been playing on the site, each powerfest having the same structures is just not true, there were full new strucutres made from people in this thread. When management read this kind of thing they will just immediately dismiss the rest of it, because they know its not true.
the problem is they are INSANELY popular and successful, people don't stop playing them, more people keep joining them. Think about it this way. You are CEO at PartyPoker, you used to have a $109 that had $10k gte in series, you made some changes to the site, kept with the tournament and it got $50k gte, people complained, but you kept it and raised it to $75k, your forum guy messages you that people want more variety, however you just keep getting more and more people every day and every week until you get to a level where it has gone from $10k to $150k. I understand that some people like gimmicky tournaments, there is a lot of gimmicky stuff all around the internet, webcam tournaments, floppomania, power up and other kinda cool promotions, we think that we are growing because we are appealing to the player that has been neglected for years and years. The rec-reg, the guy who isnt a pro but isnt a recreational, the guy who enjoys poker, good old fashioned, good structure, big guarantee, lots of chips poker. We have managed to get a lot of those guys to transition from our live tours to our online games, remember we have made all games 8 players per table maximum, and if you play at party you will realise the average player in the games plays WAY looser than any other site. I understand that we need different buy in levels, more games at $55, introduce a $33 level and see how it goes, but we must not forget that these games are growing every series because people love them.
I really hope this system of having everything identical is over soon, i literally don't play on the site because of this, there are negative comments about it almost daily and it has run it's course, please just go back to a traditional set up of different tournaments, start times, variety of structures etc.
Ah you dont play on the site, I did think you were a regular, but yes things have changed, try it out, I'm sure you will like it if you try it!
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For me its better 2day, but whatever. If this tourney is really important for u guys, than u should have more sats for this. Likely that there will be overlay again, I would do phase sat for that(I know u are focusing with phase sats to the sunday 215$, but I think would be OK for have to this 109$ phase's on monday and tuesday)
And yeah software is very important. I have sessions when I skip party, because I just dont want to deal with the software.
The tournament generally doesn't need much injection of players, it hits the guarantee most nights, yesterday was a first and phases/satalites are more important for the weekly phases/main event.
And yeah software is very important. I have sessions when I skip party, because I just dont want to deal with the software.
The tournament generally doesn't need much injection of players, it hits the guarantee most nights, yesterday was a first and phases/satalites are more important for the weekly phases/main event.
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About PLO8, a quick suggestion:
$11 PLO8 @19.00 CET 2 re-entry, 10 min blinds and $1000 guaranteed for a start (maybe $2k for Sundays)
$109 PLO8 @19.00 CET 2 re-entry, 12 min blinds and $3000 guaranteed for a start (maybe $5k for Sundays)
If $109 launches it'll never overlay. Just keep it try, it's effectively a freeroll for you. To tell the truth I would never early register but always late register it, like O8 but don't like playing it very deepstacked. That's why I am not actually personally against hyper speed / turbo speed O8 but daily main event could be regular speed.
$11 PLO8 @19.00 CET 2 re-entry, 10 min blinds and $1000 guaranteed for a start (maybe $2k for Sundays)
$109 PLO8 @19.00 CET 2 re-entry, 12 min blinds and $3000 guaranteed for a start (maybe $5k for Sundays)
If $109 launches it'll never overlay. Just keep it try, it's effectively a freeroll for you. To tell the truth I would never early register but always late register it, like O8 but don't like playing it very deepstacked. That's why I am not actually personally against hyper speed / turbo speed O8 but daily main event could be regular speed.
Over 6 month ago i was sending this via pm to pads (and i am quite sure people bring that up way longer here in the thread):
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Hey,
is there a plan to look at the O8 tournament schedule?
It just needs some tweaks and it would be more consistent and better.
I would think one bigger daily or weekly would do great.
At the moment the 11$ turbo is the biggest...the biggest normal one is 5$. Makes not to much sense in my eyes.
The 11$ turbo tends to play with 7-8BB at the bubble which is more a hyper then a turbo so maybe the structure needs a little tweak.
Something like a daily 22$ and a weekly 109$ would do well.
Any chance?
is there a plan to look at the O8 tournament schedule?
It just needs some tweaks and it would be more consistent and better.
I would think one bigger daily or weekly would do great.
At the moment the 11$ turbo is the biggest...the biggest normal one is 5$. Makes not to much sense in my eyes.
The 11$ turbo tends to play with 7-8BB at the bubble which is more a hyper then a turbo so maybe the structure needs a little tweak.
Something like a daily 22$ and a weekly 109$ would do well.
Any chance?
At least we have time now: "somehow/somewhen"
How Party acts like its one of the hardest things to do when in reality it should be doable in 60 minutes and from that time they will earn money with it. I just dont get it.
I guess its the same for other problems, people dont get why you not offering the things people ask for that a just logical and will make you easy money.
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