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09-11-2017 , 09:34 AM
From time to time i open up partypoker hoping for some new tournaments to play, but all i see is the same incredibly dull schedule where everything is repetitive. There have been countless posts about it but they still persist with this. I don't believe the current schedule is good enough to allow party to compete for the top spot.

It's bad enough when the daily schedule is repetitive, but then they even create a series where everything is the same. People on this forum are not being listened too and it has been a waste of time for us that have given suggestions to improve.

I really wonder what the purpose of this thread is. The only things that i see getting done is when someone asks about leaderboards, tickets or some software problem, Colette will give more feedback on those issues than the actual mtt schedule.

I had a look at bryan's schedule for the other upcoming series and it looks great, what i can't understand is how he was able to come up with that in a short space of time but whenever people on here have suggested tournaments like that, they are totally disregarded.

It's funny to me that you call the daily mtts "powerseries" Does this suggest that it is only a series of tournaments that will finish soon? What is the whole featherweight, middleweight stuff supposed to be about anyways? Whatever it is has run its course and badly in need of change.

What happens after powerfest? Are there any plans for improvements? or are you seriously still just going to offer players the same schedule?
09-11-2017 , 10:23 AM
even though I agree, I believe bryan's series will be rolled out as a trial. If it's a success, I think we will see more of those tournaments. However main priority is software right now if I'm not mistaken.
09-11-2017 , 11:36 AM
better sooner than later. powerfest events are going to suffer (i'd bet they already have, there's a reason the 6max plo didnt fill up, people like me couldnt find it)

i'm not just whining, i scour lobbies across every network for games, and party is the hardest to navigate by far. i cant even click up/down or scroll with my mouse without it overshooting to the bottom, or going all the way back to the top. it is very frustrating


also your tournament lobbies are pretty bad as well with phases/satellites. you should give more direct/precise info in the tournament lobby and tournament description. both stars and winamax do a great job of this, just copy them
09-11-2017 , 01:24 PM
i can confirm that scrolling the tournament lobby does not work properly for me and it's frustrating sometimes leading to missing some tournaments if it skips. i am looking forward to seeing the new improvements to the lobby.

thanks to Party for listening to the players and trying to be better. i've recently cashed out my roll from everywhere except party so hoping for some good things in the future.
09-11-2017 , 01:48 PM
+1 to what jambo said
09-11-2017 , 04:35 PM
Tuesdays 215 and 530 we have made 2 day events, if participation level doesn't drop we can look to add more events 2 day, if it decreases we will have to keep all 1 day for forseeable.
09-11-2017 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RRM
Filters doesn't work. If I try to put high only, it still shows random 8 dollar satellites. Lobby too small to fit tournaments properly.

Day 2 of the 215d tournament continues at 23:00 although day 1 started 21:00. I cannot see any logic why should it start later than the original tour starting time..
A large amount of our recreational players live in Canada, we do huge cross promotion with playground casino and brings in a lot of traffic. The start time would be too early for a lot of them
09-11-2017 , 09:20 PM
$530 Phase 1's don't seem to start. Why have so many of them? Have only one or two per day which are guaranteed to run
09-11-2017 , 10:00 PM
I won a $109 ticket, I'm planning on using it for a powerfest event in 12 days. What's the expiry date on these?
09-12-2017 , 01:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mk1988
I won a $109 ticket, I'm planning on using it for a powerfest event in 12 days. What's the expiry date on these?
Usually 7 days, but you can check expiry date by checking ticket icon or by clicking Promotions -> Tickets.
09-12-2017 , 04:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jambo227

I really wonder what the purpose of this thread is. The only things that i see getting done is when someone asks about leaderboards, tickets or some software problem, Colette will give more feedback on those issues than the actual mtt schedule.

What happens after powerfest? Are there any plans for improvements? or are you seriously still just going to offer players the same schedule?
We stated several months ago Pads was on board to monitor the thread for feedback and improvement suggestions etc
I stepped back from that side and leave Patrick to keep you all up to date though of course feedback is noted always and shared with the relevant teams for review and consideration
I can assure you though I may not comment on each and every post - its noted
09-12-2017 , 04:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mk1988
I won a $109 ticket, I'm planning on using it for a powerfest event in 12 days. What's the expiry date on these?
Keep in mind that the ticket will not expire if you register that game that starts in 12 days now already. Just be aware that you can't unregister after a week because the ticket will expire in that case.
09-12-2017 , 07:11 AM
Don't really get why on certain days there's a 109$ powerfest every 2 hours starting from 2 pm CEST, and on other days not
Yesterday for example at 6pm there was only a 530 and 22 ?!
Same for the 109--->530 sat, on Tuesday and Sunday there's a 5 tkts gtd sat at 7 pm but not on the other days, why?
09-12-2017 , 07:19 AM
With all respect to Pads but it seems he is completely the wrong person to bring improvement to your schedule. Half a year and i dont see any improvements.
When will you start to give some love and promos to someone else than the high stakes regs?

And how ****ing hard it can be to add and change some tournaments?
Go the backend, click add a new tournament, make the buyin 11$ and give it 15k guarantee. Save it and start with the next one. Any average poker player can rework your complete schedule in 2 working days.
09-12-2017 , 07:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nutlol
With all respect to Pads but it seems he is completely the wrong person to bring improvement to your schedule. Half a year and i dont see any improvements.
When will you start to give some love and promos to someone else than the high stakes regs?

And how ****ing hard it can be to add and change some tournaments?
Go the backend, click add a new tournament, make the buyin 11$ and give it 15k guarantee. Save it and start with the next one. Any average poker player can rework your complete schedule in 2 working days.
couldn't agree more, party seems to ignore the big player base (micro's and low stakes) they are superfocused on high stakes but seem to forget that the majory of players are not high stakes players. for micro stake mtt's players there is almost no good tournaments the guarentees are super low no 2$ 3$ 4$ buyins same for lowstakes it randomly jumps from 5 to 11 and then another massive gap. also the structures are always the same.
09-12-2017 , 07:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Party_Rep
We stated several months ago Pads was on board to monitor the thread for feedback and improvement suggestions etc
I stepped back from that side and leave Patrick to keep you all up to date though of course feedback is noted always and shared with the relevant teams for review and consideration
I can assure you though I may not comment on each and every post - its noted
kinda my point, several months have gone by and still the schedule has barely changed, we have giving many suggestions and they are not being listened too at all, hence the pointless thread that this has become.
09-12-2017 , 08:03 AM
You should love it over on stars then. They have changed a boring schedule from 2014 that was 99% vanilla mtts into the ****show it currently is.

Don't wish your life away i would kill to get back to that "boring" schedule.
09-12-2017 , 08:20 AM
man that is such a different situation, stars back then had so many different levels of buy in's and different types of tournaments,

what party have now are all structures and buy in's are identical, they only have a specific level of buy in and everything is a freezeout or pko, they don't even have a rebuy tournament ffs, i would kill for a 3r or 5r 10k gtd, i would play it everyday
09-12-2017 , 10:22 AM
It's not completely true that they forgot the micro-low players(see the daily free tickets), but yeah the tournies are very boring and unatractive. I guess first they want to invite the hs popular players to party so their followers/fans will come also. Almost the whole MTT lobby need a refresh, try something new. (like your new live poker festivals, awesome changes, tournies, ideas, promotions..it's time to have a super MTT lobby)
Also don't understand some of their sponsored pro singnings. I don't want to say names, but yeah some of them have kinda big followings, but they old school players and most of the followers followed them back in the days, don't think they are relevant now. On the other hand they singed like Fedor, Urbanovich, Joao who are pretty smart decisions...but they are very weak also in twitch/youtube poker streets.
I hope there will be new changes and more smart moves. As I said in the past be a little more ballsy.
09-12-2017 , 01:52 PM
Props on the 109$ 2-day today, wasn't feeling like playing late into the night but it should finish at a very reasonable ~2am.
09-12-2017 , 03:03 PM
step 1: get players interested through good guarantees and good structures (done)
step 2: improve software to allow players to play more tables (done)
step 3: improve lobby to help players navigate themselves better and find what they want to play (currently being done)
step 4: once liquidity increases, add more buy in levels

Step 4 is being tested out during Bryans series, all feedback from this thread, compiled, discussed over hundreds of hours of skype calls, emails etc now we have commited to Bryans series, we will test how successful things work there and if they are good then we can then roll them out into our daily schedule which is the plan, especially 33/55/ levels. High stake levels don't really need to be altered atm as 109/530 works well.

Ways that feedback from this thread has worked over just the last 1 week.

1- We had powerfest running too late, people pointed out in this thread, last Wednesday I suggested this week Tuesday events are 2 days, they are now 2 days as a trial tonight (^soepgrantes post above)
2- PLO Pokerfest ran as a 8 max, after feedback in here, I asked the guys to change to 6max, next will be to add reentries to it, for next week.


On a larger scale, people like LittleGoliath who added amazing feedback in the thread we let help design the whole new structures to the site.

If you ask anybody at PartyPoker what they think about me they will likely say "complains too much, wants too much change"

I am soaking up all the information from this thread and lobbying for change/improvement for hours every day. This is direct quote from email today that I sent:

"Variation of buy in levels is something I have probably gave you all a sore ear about too much........"

I'm not going to reply to each email about leaderboards etc, I take in all the info from this thread/twitter/skype/emails/live meets and then see it as my job.

Always remember though, the grass will always be greener on the other side. Stars who have a way bigger market share than us have a "win the button" that people always asked for that would be so good, I think it gets like 30 runners/day. For me its extremely important to realise the positive changes and difference the site is today from this time last year. 1 year ago we annoucned the biggest powerfest ever, trumping all other previous series at $7.8m http://www.partypoker.com/blog/bigge...powerfest.html 1 year later we have $35m.

For transparency the ways for improvement in the upcoming weeks and months will be:

1- Continue to improve the software, most notably the lobby
2- Add extra buy in levels
3- Create promotions to bring depositing players to the site
4- Continue to run the biggest live poker tour in the world and make the stops as successful as possible
5- Improve customer service to a level of high quality

Its very easy (and understandable) to think I'm just sitting player $530 highrollers all day and not giving a **** but its really very far from the truth, each day I wake up thinking "whats wrong with the site, how can we improve it today, how can we improve it for tomorrow" I have a very compulsive mind and cant do things in halfs, I either do it 100% or 0 and with Party its very much a 100!

I think the t-shrits look pretty cool btw! (wasnt my idea though!)
09-12-2017 , 04:11 PM
pads it's good that a lot of work is going into all of this, its appreciated. It just seems obvious to me though that so many players are screaming out for things like more buy ins, different tournaments, structures etc, that there is almost no downside to taking some of the suggestions we have given, people are clearly not happy with the current schedule.

Why does it need a "test" of another series to try different things? Other sites post new tournaments in a matter of days and are snap successful. Are you suggesting that the series must perform well for you to implement new tournaments? What would be the point of this thread if nothing changes?
09-12-2017 , 05:00 PM
You would think adding all these hstake tournaments is more of a risk and you would build liquidity from the micros up but you guys seem to have done the opposite.

Thats good news about making addtions if the micro series is a success, which it will be for sure because its all the tournaments the majority want.

Problem for me personally ill never play more than 1 or 2 tables at party because i have a mac and the software for mac is awful with no dates of when there will be improvements.
09-12-2017 , 05:41 PM
Pads try listening to this forum as it's not reading from the same script that you are. I don't hear people praise much of anything that has been accomplished by Party. I'm reading the same complaints that we've been reading for a year and nothing has changed... (small improvement in lobby).
In fact because you're a well known successful player with influence in the industry I think a lot of people keep their mouths shut and don't call a spade a spade for hurting themselves in this industry. I'm not one of those people.

Bots/ Scripts/ Leaderboard flaws/ Leaderboard collusion/ House staked players through a proxy/ boring MTT schedules/ poor mtt pricepoints/ a tough lobby to navigate/ ticket expiries... these are issues that 95% of the player base want fixed. You seem intent on fixing the issues for the other 5% which explain the rise in the Powerfest Guarantees.

It's true that Parties powerfest has gone from 8 million to 35 million but what has changed to accomplish this?

You've managed to sway high stakes regs from Stars to play on Party because you offer:

This group of players now get 40-50% rb as opposed to nearly none 1 year ago.

Party has leaderboard prizes that are well into the 7 figures which only this 5% of players can benefit from. A year ago they had none.

From a profit standpoint Party has probably lost money due to these changes despite more players... and what happens when these incentives are taken away. I mean do you really think this group of winning high stake players are going to stay loyal when the carrot gets taken away? Furthermore where did some of this promo fund come from in the 1st place? RB is now 0% for 95% of the player base. RB will remain at 0% for any desirable player (business wise) whom joins the site. Ticket expiries etc. all harm that same subset of players... and when I say subset I mean 95% of the player base whom may not spend every waking moment trying to interpret the various pitfalls on how Party might separate them from their tickets without playing them.

If you gave an even semi intelligent person with a moderate understanding of Online Poker a quarter of the budget that has been shelled out over the past year and you'd see a far greater growth in unique players that are ok with depositing and losing money. You don't have much of those players on Party. And once the promo carpet gets pulled by the execs we will find out just how loyal this 5% crowd truly are. Because this gravy train can't last forever.

Bryan's tourney series will be extremely successful btw. I know by his history that the necessary Satellites and MTT Structures will be in place to make it such. There's no need for a test. People who know this business can look at the offering and know in advance how the market will react. So no need to wait a month. Add decent price points asap.
09-12-2017 , 05:53 PM
Well, this may seem a bit of ranting now that I read it, but I think Patrick should get some real honest answers instead of Fairytale stuff. He's a hardcore business man after all.

What tilts me most that there's been lots and lots of simple requests that would help for example with problems like lobby being crowded @30+ tournaments starting at the really same time, like 20:00 CET. Simple solution: differentiate starting times a bit, like CPP satellites launching :05 instead of :00. Much easier to find when you learn at which time slot they start and won't require any software updates. I don't even start with how rebuys were handled and killed, that was such a sad state of affairs. How summertime 1 pkg low / 2 pkg medium LBs were handled was just a complete disgrace.

Currently there's like 1 tournament for each buy-in level that actually has a good guaranteed (5,5 Jab, 11 Brawler, 22 Contender, 55 Brawler, 109 Uppercut). All other have been withered, high stakes schedule has especially suffered because you have stuffed too much unpopular tournaments around. 109 PKO and 215 PKO starting at the same time and 55 PKO and 109 PKO starting at the same time etc. Fridays are super ultra sad, with Uppercut and HR also being PKO.

Making 1 or 2 single PLO tournaments from freezeout to re-entry after suggestions is great, but there's really lots of problems with Party currently that could easily be fixed without major overhaul. And it would really be much better if you would be open to feedback pre-series instead of making corrections after series has started.

How long are we supposed to give credit and belief about the change 3 big re-entries being introduced two years back? Such a huge job to add 3 tournaments at the prime time. Although I appreciate that you were somewhat resilient to keep them on while they did overlay quite a bit during first few month).

Best we've got after Colette gave up delivering MTT feedback directly to MTT people and let OSS had it has been "We'll look into it" + "Nothing." Usually simply "nothing". And there seems to be a small circle of same-minded people advicing OSS who give advices that seem actually far worse than current situation.

I don't think guaranteeds in Powerfest are bad, they're quite great. Daily guaranteeds are quite bad outside 19:00 CET and 20:00 CET flagship tournaments. Series schedule is just ultra boring. Like your daily schedule in general, especially if you prefer something else than non-hold'em games.

Really looking forward for this "test series" Bryan is arranging, though really being honest limit games with 75% PKO seem really bad idea. Better have intuitive series with probably few rigged tournaments than safe and boring vanilla series all the time.

P. S. Yeah love T-shirts as was expecting nothing instead. Some customization would be great (it of course costs), like:

- Back could be:

#1
"Player nickname"

And it could also show which event player has won. Even a little bit of customization would be great to make T-shirts truly unique.

Also would look great if they would be like football shirts instead of basic T-shirt.

P. P. S. To give some credit live poker tours and satellite offering seem great, but I am just not the target market. Prefer grinding online, maybe some more tournaments offering day1 / day 2 online well in advance would make me to participate in more of them.

      
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