6max tenner today and double rush rebuy, thanks for listening ftp.

Shyam, just to shut me up, can you confirm or deny whether my previous requests are a possibility?

Thanks

wow ftp, u really do listen fast, wp

Ring game changes for those who maybe didn't get an email -

In order to simplify our ring game offering and help new players find the most active tables, we’re making some changes and we want to give you a heads up.

The following games will be removed:

Adrenaline Rush games (from the end of April)
Cap and Deep Stack Heads-Up No Limit Hold’em games
Cap, Deep Stack and Deep Stack with Ante 6-Max No Limit Hold’em games
Shallow Stack Full Ring No Limit Hold’em games
Pot Limit Hold’em Heads-Up and 6-Max games
Full Ring Fixed Limit Hold’em games
Deep Stack Pot Limit Omaha Heads-Up games
Cap, Deep Stack and Deep Stack with Antes Pot Limit Omaha 6-Max games
Deep Stack with Antes 6-Card Pot Limit Omaha Heads-Up games
New to the Game tables for certain games (such as No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo 6-Max)
Irish Poker
HORSE, HA and 7-Game

Other changes include:

$2/$4 Rush Poker Ring Games will become $2.50/$5 Rush Poker Ring Games
$0.25/$0.50 and $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Rush Poker games will be removed – but, we’re adding $2.50/$5 Pot Limit Omaha Rush Poker games, so Pot Limit Omaha will be available at every second stake level
6 Card Omaha, 8-Game, and 10-Game 6-Max tables will change to 5-Max
Stud Hi, Stud Hi-Low and Razz 8-handed games will all become 5-Max
Jackpot Sit & Go Tournament rake changes

We’re also making some changes to the rake structure for some of our Jackpot Sit & Go Tournaments, which will result in an increase to the tournament fees withheld at our $5 and $50 buy-in levels; even with these changes, Full Tilt continues to have the lowest or equal-lowest tournament fees of any major operator.

None of the games I play have been removed. Will be interesting though to see if the Cap games going will increase the traffic in the normal ring games and whether or not it will lead to more shorties in them. I'm open minded about the changes though.

I also noticed PLO8 cash games are gone, and all NLO8 are all shallow stack

Game of the week is NLO8. Today the $25 game of the week is trapped between a $25 PLO8 with $750gtd, and a $25 NLO8 with $1k gtd. With only $500 gtd for the Game of the Week, needless to say it failed to run
Surely it should at least match the gt of one of the other $25 08 mtt's?

The first part of that is a bug. You can still see the PLO/8 tables if you have All Types selected, and we'll get Pot Limit back in that list asap (hopefully tomorrow).

The second part is true. We simply didn't have enough players for both PLO/8 and NLO/8 having both Regular and Shallow stack tables, so one got one and the other got the other (Regular was a bit more popular in PL and Shallow was a bit more popular in NL, so we went with that).

What was the reasoning behind getting rid of the 50-100 games? The jump from 25-50 to 250-500 seems weird.

Nice 50$ GTD on the 1$ Rush OD - now hit up the 0.25$ as well too get all the nano-players on board. If stars can get 2-3k players for every 0.1$/0.25$ mtt then you surely can have at least one 0.25$ OD running at all times or?


Starting 15.07 CET (22.20 now) there have been 14 - 1$ Rush OD running

The 50$ GTD prizepools went up like:
$79
$83
$99
$114
$85
$93
$123
$87
$98
$92
$100
$147
$142
$125
$91

As you can see, it picks up to almost 3x its GTD.
Verrry nice.

Just the 6-max Rush Rebuy is left, yeah? I looked for a fairly long time today to try to find the right time slot and buyin level for this, but failed. Where do you think it would fit nicely, and at what buyin? I considered simply converting the $2K guarantee at 16:30 ET ($2.50 buyin) to 6-max, but I wasn't sure if this was too low for what you were looking for, and I also wasn't sure if it would be able to maintain even the $2K guarantee if it moved to 6-max (6-max is almost always less popular than full ring).

Yeah, it's a little weird. Basically, looking at the past few months, we had some nosebleed players, and then everyone else. There was very little action happening in the "lower nosebleeds" in the grand scheme of things. This major ring game cleanup was designed to mostly offer the games that were still being played (or, in some cases, consolidate some players into the same games to make the remaining games more active).

So a common thing to see when looking at the site activity was some amount of $10/$20, and then a huge dropoff until the highest nosebleeds where the action picked up a bit again. Nobody was "climbing the ladder." So what we did was finish up the standard offering one level above where there was still decent action (in many cases, this meant $25/$50) so that if higher games naturally started up again, they'd be available. And then a big jump for the current nosebleed players to keep playing their games.

If the new highest regular levels start getting action, I'm sure we'll add one level higher than that to see if it keeps going. Until then, we're going to see how this offering plays out.

Hopefully that makes sense!

Yeah, we considered the $0.25. The problem is that the guarantee would be really small. It's a super turbo, and only has 2 levels (10 minutes) of late reg. A typical prize pool is $8 or less. Do we think even a $10 guarantee would be attractive here? We could extend it 1 more level of late reg and give $10 a try just to see what happens. I'm definitely pleased with the new $50 guarantee on the $1 OD so far.

more late reg + 10$ GTD = yes

I guess 10$ is a magic number for players who might invest basically nothing but still don't play play money.

Shyam - Hmm good point on the time slot. Looking at the lobby, 18:45 WET (UK time for me) and 20:45 look like good slots. In an ideal world, there would be a $5 6 max rush rebuy, and a $10 6 max rush rebuy. No multi entries or anything. That's from a greedy perspective. One of those would certainly suffice.

I believe they would be relatively popular to say the least, and I have spoken to numerous regulars stating they believe it'll be fun and is something that is missing from the rush rebuy tournaments.

Many thanks Shyam, I appreciate you taking your time to address our requests.

As per usual if anyone wants to + 1 my suggestion and/or change some of the suggestions I made, please do!

PLO8 HU gone or is that also a bug ?

Not really a MTT question, but lol:

So you increase the rake for 5 and 50$ spins (after sneakily increasing the rake already for some stakes when you introduced new buyin levels)? It`s seems that these games are reeeally expensive for you maybe you should remove them from the lobby? In all seriousness thats utterly bull**** why would you do this? Will not play a single jackpot at your site in the future

FTP still has the lowest/joint lowest rake for any major site for SpinnGos.

Is it possible to make rush CG offerings conditional on how good the games are running?
I guess 18 hours a day there's not enough traffic to support both 1/2 and 2/4 (2.5/5). My suggestion is: only offer Rush 1/2 if the 2.5/5 pool is running smoothly with ~40 entries or more.

Can't see that anyone has mentioned already, but for those interested the $500 Tuesday mtt hit the lobby last night.

I don't like the idea personally as I don't think it would achieve the desired outcome of all levels functioning in a healthy way, but wouldn't logic dictate only having 2/4 running when 1/2 was healthy and not the other way around?

The desired outcome is to have more overall traffic at these stakes. Having both levels run healthy 24/7 isn't realistic at this point in time. But it has become common to see both levels with 5-15 entries at the same time which isn't enough to support two rush pools (right now it's 9 & 7).
At the same time there are a few players (group b) who only join the pool, when there's sufficient traffic.
If half of the entries from 1/2 at the off peak hours move to 2/4 that might help getting at least one pool to run semi-smooth, which may or may not attract group b players.

There's not a single 1/2 grinder that has been playing those games consistently, while there are quite a few 2/4 regulars (although they seem to move most of their volume away from FT at a rapid rate, which is exactly what my suggestion is trying to help prevent).

Taking a look at the overnight numbers, a good few only got around $3 in the prize pool. I think $10 might be a bit of a stretch. I've given it a $5 guarantee for now, and if it looks like that's having the desired effect, we'll see if we can keep moving it up.

We'll give 13:45 ET (sorry, I can only think about the tournament schedule in ET) a test run with a $5 and see how that goes. I'm a little concerned there's already a 6-max rebuy 45 minutes later (the new TenneR), but it might be far enough away to work.

That part isn't a bug, HU PLO/8 is gone for now. The volume simply wasn't there to support it.

Not really, unfortunately. We have kicked around the idea of "scheduling" certain stake levels, though. It's obvious we couldn't have $5/$10 running around the clock, for example. But if we scheduled it to only start up during prime time (and maybe even only on certain nights), then everyone could see in the lobby when they should show up and play, and maybe the games would run for a good few hours. Still just an idea, though, and would obviously take a decent amount of development resources.

@tsanova the problem is your gaining a small benefit short-term at a huge cost tto long term health of the Rush economy as a whole. Stopping 1/2 means 100NL grinders move to Stars with an even higher frequency than they do now. If you want to talk more about cash games let's do it in the thread linked below so as not to clog up the MTT guys who just care about tournies.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56...17/index5.html

Makes no sense to keep both 6max FL08 and HUFL08 either then ?, cant remember last time i saw a 6max table running, and HU FL08 runs less frequent than plo8 HU did.

Thank you for the addition Shyam. Much appreciated. Looks like a perfect slot to me.

Enjoy the new 6 max rush rebuy fellas.

yeah super bummed the 50 super stack isn't there tho