http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feR-j...ayer_embedded#

Obv it sucks that her cards were mucked, and she took it really really well.

But it's still HER responsibility to protect her cards.

I hate when people say this. When dealers make huge mistakes like this it should never be blamed on the player. It's like the cops coming by after a break in and saying "hey, it's your fault for leaving your 2 story bathroom window unlocked. "

That's not even close to the same thing.

And I'm also not saying that the dealer is right in any way. The dealer was clearly not paying attention, which is his job.

All I'm saying, if you want to protect yourself from this, protect your cards.

What I don't understand, is she just pushed all in, right? So then why does the dealer take ALL the rest of the cards on that side of the table (which we can assume includes her cards) into the muck?

It looked like the dealer did hesitate a little while taking her cards, which I guess was where she should have been speaking up, and I don't get how she didn't speak up when she LOOKED DOWN AT HIS HAND TAKING HER CARDS AWAY, but still..the cards are sitting right in front of her behind her chips that she just pushed in, and they're neatly stacked on top of each other instead of being sprawled out a little (for lack of a better phrase) like cards normally get when tossed forward.

I could see where a dealer could make a mistake here if she hadn't acted yet, but she was all in, so she had to have acted and so the dealer must have (or at least should have) known not to take her cards.

Of course all of this could be solved just by keeping a hand on her cards, and it's not like she was doing anything else with her hands, so whatever.

But think of that girl putting herself through medical school who will give you so much more bang for your 500 bucks. Giving 10% to the dealer there shows bad decision making.

First it sounds like what you're referring to is just the practice of some restaurants automatically adding on a fixed percentage of the bill on top of your bill, where I work it's 18%, for parties of 8 or more, and you can still tip less than that if you want. If what I'm referring to is correct, then tipping is still going to be part of the process in the UK, just it's now illegal for restaurants to add on a fixed % on top of the bill. The reason why many places do or have begun to do this is because servers getting ****ty tips on large parties, especially when it comes to foreigners, teenagers or elderly who aren't really familiar with standard tipping amounts. Note that I'm not a server so I don't benefit from any of these practices, just explaining what they are/why they're done.

If tipping was not customer oriented and an expected part of dining in restaurants, then restaurants would have to pay employees at the bare minimum regular minimum wage (which is close to double SERVER minimum wage in the U.S., not sure about the UK). On top of which many servers who work at decent restaurants and are good at their job can make $30/hr quite easily just at a chain place, but at a middle/low scalish place say chili's or applebee's they probably make $10-20/hr.

Now consider a restaurant goes from paying $4.23/hr per tipped restaurant employee (I use $4.23 because it's server minimum wage in Florida) to probably having to pay $15/hr at a minimum to have anywhere near the same quality of servers. Your food prices won't just jump the 10% that you would have tipped on top of your bill. Your bill is going to jump 4 times what it was quite easily because now not only is your server being paid 4x more than she was, but so is the hostess that sat you, and the busser who cleans your table when you're done, and the bartender who makes the drinks for your server's table, etc. Your server is also generally serving 3-4 other tables simultaneously so its not just a matter of adding on your 10% to their salary.


How is your statement vastly different from "If you want to protect yourself from burglars, protect your home" ?

During WSOP I was playing $1/$3 cash game at the Rio when I was sitting in the BB. Dealer dealt the cards and somehow after dealing me my last card flipped over one or two cards and called a misdeal. I don't even know if that actually is a misdeal, but before people shoved the cards back to her I decided to take a quick peak as most were doing (bad bad mistake!) and found I actually had aces, which also insta-tilted me mentally. Especially since there was a very very laggy drunken billy-bop on the button. Didn't say much about it but did leave 5 mins later because I just got annoyed.
But in this fragment it's obv 100 times worse and more frustrating, since it's the ME with already action in progress.

If people are all going to pay 4x more for their meal, why aren't restaurant owners already charging this much while paying their servers the low wage and shipping all sorts of extra money? If raising prices resulted in higher revenue now or after this wage increase, owners would do it regardless of their costs. Wage rates will affect overall profitability for owners, but will change the market rate for restaurant meals (price) very little if at all.

What's really F'd up is that she had to forfeit 32K (TC's initial raise) from her 140K stack!!! how the hell is that fair???
From PokerPages.com
"We walked over to JC Tran's table and there was controversy. Supposedly, a player moved all in and she did not protect her cards and the dealer mucked them without noticing her all in. The action was paused and a floor was called. The floor took the two cards that were supposed to be the players. Looked at them and then pulled the player aside and asked the player what she had. She advised the floorman and the floorman stated that was not the two cards in the muck. Her hand was dead and she got back all of her chips but the call. The action had folded to JC Tran and he takes in her money and the blinds and antes. The player then stated "I had Aces"....."
You can also hear the commentator state that in the youtube clip at 6:25
REALLY UNFAIR and F'D UP imo

yeah this is what i was referring to.


At most of the restaurants I have been to we have actually asked the staff if they get any of the service charge as a tip. Not one of them has said yes yet, so although this may be the reason for it.
Pretty sure most of the staff get a bum deal both ways, people don't tip as they think its what the service charge is and then employers don't pass it on.

which is why the government has now banned it, so staff get tipped in the proper way.
Although also quite often in the UK if you add the tip to your credit card payment again the staff don't get it. So you have to make sure you tip in cash as well

They really do get a bum deal here imo, especially as I don't think brits are anywhere near as generous as Americans are with tipping

Because if they charge 4x more, no one will eat there and they'll be out of business in a week... I said they would be forced to charge that much more, not that every diner would be willing to pay that difference.

And wage rates certainly do affect market prices. In the last 3 years server minimum wage in FL has risen about 4 times, and each time the % change is less than 10% (IE raising from $3.50/hr to $3.80/hr) and every single time menu prices have been raised at the majority of chain restaurants whether you notice it or not.

While the 10% bumps in server minimum wage only change meal prices by small increments, quadrupling the price that restaurants would have to pay tipped employees would result in meal price increases that no sane person would be willing to pay vs the quality of food.


Well what I was speaking of, the servers actually get that 18% if you choose to tip that amount. What you're describing of I've never seen done in the US, and basically it's just an upcharge that the restaurant doesn't want reflected in their menu prices and has nothing to do with your waitress except for possibly them not getting tipped b/c as you said customers might think the service charge is for their waitress. Also there is the chance that the servers you talked to about this may have just been lying so you'll tip even more on top of the service charge (if the service charge did go to the server). It's probably not a good idea to ask this question to the person whose actually serving you

a 50cm has smoaked the bananas

Of course you are supposed to protect your hand. If she had a card protector that **** would've never happened. However, like 8 different things had to align just perfectly for this situation to arise. An alignment of those 8 different things when only 1 is her fault does not make it her entirely her fault. I think I just feel for her. I usually make a live misclick every 1-2 live tourneys I play.

It's kind of a leap to say that when min wage increased, prices increased, therefore raising the min wage causes price increases.

something had to drive the increase in minimum wage, which will also affect other expenses the business incurs unrelated to payroll, contributing to the need to increase prices.

You cracked me up

<===== has smoked the bananas as well


i dont know how to make them super small and move

hi 5 banana brother

+1

He's my best friend so it's kind of my responsibility (in my head) to say something to him when I think it will better his life.
If he was just some random person I know it would be cheap of me to say anything.

The guy who had the losing hand (won like 9k) tipped the dealer $900.
I know there are players who tip the dealer on virtually every hand.
I almost never play live, the few times I have I usually end up having to tell some random to stfu and mind his business when I don't tip the dealer after taking down the blinds pre or shipping some $20 pot. One of the many reasons I don't play live much.

The AA hand is brutal. I hate seeing stuff like that. The guy is getting paid just to deal cards and keep an eye on everything at the table and he's not doing that. Love when floor tells him to not touch anything and has to say "I just told you don't touch anything".

bananas?

gonna has some moar :excited:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElNpw...eature=related

WTF is it with people putting their golf handicap on their resume?

If it's for a sales job, isn't that a prerequisite?