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01-07-2010 , 08:57 PM

TvSa

adept

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,014

but just wondered what you would do with it,
i can jam him,
but he's been tight and is solid,
call is too weak,
raise and he could jam me...
too good to fold... no not really... as i said, its a nothing but just curious how you play

Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 7 players - View hand 462619
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BB: t3685 M = 4.75
UTG: t2340 M = 3.02
UTG+1: t3874 M = 5.00
MP: t4465 M = 5.76
CO: t985 M = 1.27
BTN: t3266 M = 4.21
Hero (SB): t8650 M = 11.16

Pre Flop: (t775) Hero is SB with A

2 folds, MP raises to t1200, 2 folds, Hero

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01-07-2010 , 08:59 PM

Lonewolf MacQuaid

adept

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 792

With his stack size (and BB's), I jam every time.

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01-07-2010 , 09:00 PM

bear187

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,317

we jammin', don't you wan' be jammon too?

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01-07-2010 , 09:01 PM

Willyoman

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 10,468

Nothing to be done.

Last edited by Willyoman; 01-07-2010 at 09:02 PM. Reason: except shove ldo

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01-07-2010 , 09:19 PM

RogerKwok

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 422

If he shoved his 11bbs I'd call, but when he raises 3x I don't think he's stealing here. He's definitely not folding down to 8 bbs to a 3bet. What range do you think he has raising from MP as shortie? got to be pretty tight? I think if you jam you're a flip at best, and I read somewhere it's better to flip for your stack than half of it...

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01-07-2010 , 09:23 PM

nelly06

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 365

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Originally Posted by RogerKwok

In $6 some ppl may be bad enough to raise fold here. Or at least raise without a plan. I am shoving here.

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01-07-2010 , 09:27 PM

Lonewolf MacQuaid

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 792

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Originally Posted by RogerKwok

He's definitely not folding down to 8 bbs to a 3bet.

What makes you say this? I see people do it all the time.

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Originally Posted by RogerKwok

What range do you think he has raising from MP as shortie?

In a $6? I'd say he's raising his normal MP range, probably {66+,AT+,A8s+,KTs+,QTo+,JTo+}, and he's just not smart enough to be in a shove/fold mode.

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Originally Posted by RogerKwok

I think if you jam you're a flip at best, and I read somewhere it's better to flip for your stack than half of it...

Wrong. We're pretty far ahead of his raising range, and we stand up pretty well against his calling range. Add in our FE, and there's no other move here.

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01-07-2010 , 09:51 PM

RogerKwok

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 422

If you think his range includes JTo, then we're seeing two completely different villains here. Remember OP said tight and solid. If you base ranges from buy-in amount of tourney and not specific reads, then we play don't play the same style.

-edit to be specific, my "tight and solid" raise range from MP for the villain at 11 BBs is AQ+ and TT+. Personally I shove instead of raise top ~10%, but that's how I'm reading the villain here.

Last edited by RogerKwok; 01-07-2010 at 09:57 PM.

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01-07-2010 , 11:16 PM

Lonewolf MacQuaid

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Originally Posted by RogerKwok

Dude, remember that villain is opening an un-raised pot. {TT+, AQ+} is a tight range UTG, and it's an absurd range to put anyone on from MP unless you know for a fact that this villain always open shoves worse with ~10bb's.

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01-07-2010 , 11:29 PM

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jkugelman

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Trivial shove.

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01-07-2010 , 11:36 PM

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RogerKwok

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 422

I 100% agree with you that the range would be wider if he shoves (I'd snap with AQ).Are there any stats on him from OP? My tables right now have people either 30/20/x or 8/4/x, so I just imagine tight to be tight, I guess I'm a bit nitty here.

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01-07-2010 , 11:43 PM

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KDolla83

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 858

We be jammin'!!!

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