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08-27-2009 , 08:32 AM
Hey,

i am loosing confidence these days, busting in every tourney i play.
This is a good example i think. I am able to build a nice stack, but when it comes to the big pots, i just loose them all.

the action in front of my was "scary" with a raise, reraise and a coldcall, but anyway, this is a super standart push or? Or did i loose my mind? Yeah two of the guys were pretty thight, but anyway... Thanx guys!



Full Tilt Poker $3 + 0.30 KO No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t250/t500 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t22098 M = 18.41
BTN: t12341 M = 10.28
Hero (SB): t14811 M = 12.34
BB: t3710 M = 3.09
UTG: t9442 M = 7.87
UTG+1: t12565 M = 10.47
UTG+2: t7673 M = 6.39
MP1: t10360 M = 8.63
MP2: t2827 M = 2.36

Pre Flop: (t1200) Hero is SB with K A
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to t1500, 2 folds, CO raises to t2500, BTN calls t2500, Hero raises to t14761 all in, 2 folds, CO calls t12261, BTN calls t9791 all in
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08-27-2009 , 08:42 AM
looks good, wp

don't worry about the variance, people in these stakes give way too much value to the knockout so you're going to receive a lot more variance because you get called by the silliest ****
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08-27-2009 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ixmike88
looks good, wp

don't worry about the variance, people in these stakes give way too much value to the knockout so you're going to receive a lot more variance because you get called by the silliest ****
that ****ing variance is the reason why i play 3$ko`s these days ;-)
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08-27-2009 , 09:07 AM
nh

by pushing you are basically hoping to get heads up or even better they fold, too bad they both called.
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08-27-2009 , 09:15 AM
what ranges you think villians are doing this with (and how does this compare to a non-knockout mtt)? and what part of their range are they expected to fold to a shove (less, I guess, since they want the bounty)?
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08-27-2009 , 09:17 AM
ABC
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08-27-2009 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by pokrates
what ranges you think villians are doing this with (and how does this compare to a non-knockout mtt)? and what part of their range are they expected to fold to a shove (less, I guess, since they want the bounty)?
I dont think the KOs have a very big influence to their openings.
Bigstacks widen their callingranges against shortys in order to knockout, thats for sure, but i dont think that played a big role in this spot.

Not sure about that but i put them on:

UTG+ = 55+ A9s+ KQ (raiser)
CO = 77+ AJ+ (reraiser)
Bu = 99+ AQs+ (coldcaller)

after my push their callingrange is about:

99+AQ+

Basicly, its a flip for a monsterpot.

I really started to think that i should not allways gamble with AK when i have a nice stack, but that is too much pussy thinking...

Last edited by bitmonk; 08-27-2009 at 09:50 AM.
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08-27-2009 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ssnyc
ABC
sounds good!
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08-27-2009 , 10:25 AM
I'm a nit so I'll weigh in. AK is NOT the nuts. If you think the ranges that you site above are accurate, you are maybe flipping aginst one person, but you are way behind against a couple of callers. In a $3 donkament, people get it in way too light, so if you can get this heads up it is fine, but I don't think you will very often given the stack sizes and raise sizes.

I think you can get a better spot. Even if you had 1 or 2 opponents, and you could put them on ranges that are slightly +EV, I think you can pick much bigger +EV spots. You have enough of a stack left to do that too
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08-27-2009 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BCEagleAce
I'm a nit so I'll weigh in. AK is NOT the nuts. If you think the ranges that you site above are accurate, you are maybe flipping aginst one person, but you are way behind against a couple of callers. In a $3 donkament, people get it in way too light, so if you can get this heads up it is fine, but I don't think you will very often given the stack sizes and raise sizes.

I think you can get a better spot. Even if you had 1 or 2 opponents, and you could put them on ranges that are slightly +EV, I think you can pick much bigger +EV spots. You have enough of a stack left to do that too
maybe look at hand ranking charts again and also use them in conjunction with pokerstove and pot odds etc

also low range players in KOs have ranges where we dominate really really really often
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08-27-2009 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ssnyc
maybe look at hand ranking charts again and also use them in conjunction with pokerstove and pot odds etc

also low range players in KOs have ranges where we dominate really really really often
pwning n00bz as always.
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08-27-2009 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BCEagleAce
I'm a nit so I'll weigh in. AK is NOT the nuts. If you think the ranges that you site above are accurate, you are maybe flipping aginst one person, but you are way behind against a couple of callers. In a $3 donkament, people get it in way too light, so if you can get this heads up it is fine, but I don't think you will very often given the stack sizes and raise sizes.

I think you can get a better spot. Even if you had 1 or 2 opponents, and you could put them on ranges that are slightly +EV, I think you can pick much bigger +EV spots. You have enough of a stack left to do that too
from nit to nit.
shoving here is mandatory, even if you get 2 callers its very +EV over a reasonable sample

im all for passing marginal edges but folding/calling this is bad play.
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08-27-2009 , 11:02 AM
i need a hero soul "omfg he got KK+" read to fold here.... i.e im arrr eeen 99% of the time.
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08-27-2009 , 11:25 AM
I agree with getting it in here at this limit MTT, for a couple of reasons. There's a lot of money in the pot already and folding them out would net you a hefty amount right there with your shove. If you happen to get one or two callers and win this pot, you're going to have a very plump stack. There's also the KOs that come into play.
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08-27-2009 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BCEagleAce
AK is NOT the nuts.
blasphemey
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08-27-2009 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by areaman
blasphemey
This.
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