What are people's experiences with the Sit N Go Wizar Quizzes. Are the answers generally correspondent with how you would play, and if you score highly on the quiz are you likely to be making the right decision most of the time in game, or do you generally need to modify the ranges quite a bit from the typical average range.

Ok, so i didnt want to create a new topic.
When i start quiz/review my SnG sessions should i use cEV or $EV mode or change between them when its bubble time or something ?

Thank you ...

Couldnt fint a perfect answer for that anywhere.

Always $EV except when HU, then use cEV

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Ok, thanks !!

OK. Thats cool. Thanks for all the great responses to the OP. Preesh.

I am a big fan of the quizzes. They really helped me a lot. I know many people say some of the situations aren't realistic but it still forces you to think about what to do given that situation. For me it took a while but I started to see similar situations and I knew the correct response. This translated pretty immediately to my real games. It is also somewhat configurable if you dig into the settings. Setting it to only show bubble hands is good practice. Anyhow, I truly believe doing the quizzes has improved my game.

Yeah that attitude will get you there bro... If you even have to ask the question you asked in the OP i doubt you understand how ICM works. Yes, the correct answers for the the quiz are correct, therefore if you make the same decision for the same situation in a real game, it will be the best play.

From what I can figure out Wiz doesn't take into account the next hand (or few hands) - it gives you the EV for this hand. So if the blind is about to hit you Wiz doesn't factor this in. Am I right in this assumption?

You're right. Also, wiz doesn't take your fold equity into account.

Being good at the quizzes is no guarantee you are making the right decision in-game. The quizzes give you ranges, while in-game you need to come up with your own. You can be good at making decisions vs given ranges, but suck at assigning ranges. Sometimes the ranges in the quiz are not what you would typically see, and the answer would be different if they were.

SNGWiz does account for fold equity.

Sorry, I ment future fold equity. Like if you fold and end up really short your chip-stack is worth less than what ICM says, as you will be called wery wide the next time you push.
Because of this hero should allow himself to make slightly -EV decisions in order to maintain decent fold equity.

I should have put a :-P in my first reply, as I didnt intend to sound snotty.

I havent been around very long so I havent run into the term ICM actually.

I'm pretty sure I'm aware of how the Wizard calculates the answers though. Calculating your hands equity against the top X% of their hands, this X% being based on their chip stack(M), position, etc. And then their is obviously the art of adjusting for individual reads and "in the moment" adjustment based on your table image etc.

My question was if, and how often do you find yourselves having to adjust the starting parameters drastically to end up with something you've found to be more realistic in-game.

Also, if the question supposes that they limp from say... cutoff with X wide amount of their hands, and they'll only call your shove from the button with Y much tighter amount of your hands, then the program is calculating fold equity, is it not?

EDIT nevermind, it looks like that was just clarified

Beerocrat pretty much covered everything but Bendik is also right, it doesnt take future FE into consideration, I dont think you'll find a situation in the quiz where that would apply tho..

When reviewing hands with Wiz I constantly change ranges, I actually hardly ever use the ranges given by wiz. You can use your HUD (i recommend holdem manager) and reads to figure out their range.

Alright, thats actually what I'm doing right now, I suppose my range assigning skills will become fine tuned eventually with use of PT and SnG after every game. (Thats my plan at these low stakes SnGs. One table, every session reviewed, its slow going but I hope to learn alot, that way I can worry about grinding when I move up stakes and when I have some skill under my belt.).

So far I've played 3 of those 3.80 Sup Turbo SnGs this afternoon, and I've netted 23.15$. Thats a ridiculously small sample I know but the huge ROI so far is thrilling.

I also have this hand I'd like to ask about.

Full Tilt Poker $3.50+$0.30 Sit&Go (Sup Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: t150 M = 2
UTG: t255 M = 3.40
UTG+1: t275 M = 3.67
Hero (UTG+2): t315 M = 4.20
MP1: t338 M = 4.51
MP2: t450 M = 6
CO: t262 M = 3.49
BTN: t265 M = 3.53
SB: t390 M = 5.20

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is UTG+2 with 8 8
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t100, hero...


Following my "gut", I folded. The early show of strength and the huge amount of other potential callers scared me. I recognized that this was a marginal decision at best, and after the game SnG Wiz said the same thing. It thinks I shouldve pushed. What do you all think? I did end up saving myself the tourney.

That hand is a push. With 6BBs and 88 8-handed it's hard to justify a fold without a ton of history with UTG+1 indicating he only minraises the nuts. Randoms at the 3.40 level can have just about anything.

When you post hands, only post up to your decision - what happens after does not matter. Always leave the results out. Also, it's pointless to state results over a tiny sample size. In both cases you are being results oriented, which is not good - focus on the quality of your decisions.

I'm going to close this up, as I think you get the picture. For questions about specific hands, post the hand as outlined in the FAQ announcement at the top of the forum.