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10-08-2013 , 03:15 PM

Loopshot1

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Live $140 MTT NLH
125 runners

Very first hand of the tournament.
Blinds 25-50. Starting stacks 8k.
Hero raises to 100 UTG+1 w 54dd.
40 something Asian guy wearing sunglasses, giant headphones, and hoodie calls OTB. Blinds both fold.
Flop- AdTd4c. Hero bets 200 into pot of 275, villain raises to 600, hero reraises to 2100, villain calls.
Turn- 3c. Hero shoves 5800 into pot of 4550.

Thoughts? (Flop and Turn only, have my personal game flow reasons for PF play)

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10-08-2013 , 03:51 PM

isuxatpokerbad

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Originally Posted by Loopshot1

making it 100 pre is bad

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10-08-2013 , 08:59 PM

intclock

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fold everywhere

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10-08-2013 , 09:05 PM

cicakman

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must of

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10-08-2013 , 09:16 PM

Economos

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More often than not he's comitted when he calls that flop raise but would likely check back if you check ott. It's hard to say what the best play is but shoving isn't bad. Checking hoping he checks back and betting any river that hits you is good too.
Flop is fine.

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10-08-2013 , 09:58 PM

intclock

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post is whatevs because pre is a disaster.

when you min-raise a hand like that, this deep, you are begging to get flatted by drawing hands that have you dominated. yes, usually a pair + flush draw on the flop is good, but not when pre is played like this.

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10-09-2013 , 02:36 AM

Loopshot1

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O.K. You got me to bite. How could pre be a "disaster" when I'm committing just over 1% of my stack to see a flop w 160BB effective stacks?? Let's say for the sake of argument I had been in the BB w this same hand and someone else had opened the pot. Would you not call? Cuz that's essentially the same thing.

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10-09-2013 , 04:19 AM

furo

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Pre seems fine. I don't get the hate. This is easy to play vs dolts even in multiway pots.
Flat his flop raise and go from there, he is not folding his good draws or better and most ppl just peel Ax vs EP ranges.

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10-09-2013 , 04:35 AM

Turbulenc3

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Originally Posted by furo

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10-09-2013 , 05:23 AM

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oldsilver

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utterly insane. i love it. but i can't imagine any pro taking this line

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10-09-2013 , 05:36 AM

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SiCro43

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I don't hate pre although I think 3 or even 4x is better this deep cause you're going to get flatted a LOT like this.

Post is total spew...

Just call the flop and hope to see a free/cheap river and improve then go from there.

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10-09-2013 , 08:01 AM

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V-Delaney

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Originally Posted by cicakman

must of

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10-09-2013 , 10:17 AM

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WashUrHandsPlz

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Agreed with Furo.
But with that being true idk whats our plan after b/c-ing flop.

OP, ignore dumb trolls.

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10-09-2013 , 10:18 AM

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furo

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Fold turn unimproved unless he bets like 1/3 and we get direct odds to call.

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10-09-2013 , 10:27 AM

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WashUrHandsPlz

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think its rare case he'd raise flop with solid sizing and then betbturn small.
anyway unsure about our equity vs range he raises flop and bet turn.

his range is AT, A4s, Kxdd, Qxdd, Jxdd.!?

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10-09-2013 , 10:30 AM

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bikram

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Originally Posted by oldsilver

utterly insane. i love it. but i can't imagine any pro taking this line

I don't want to give this guy any credit because his T8o line in the other thread was pretty awful, but this is a really fun line to take in a tourney where you don't really give a hoot and I HAVE seen pros take a line early in a re-entry tourney where they just want to build a big stack. Don't say I endorse it but.....

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10-09-2013 , 11:42 AM

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oldsilver

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Originally Posted by bikram

remind me never to start a T8o thread

if this was RE or RB then you can get as crazy as you want with SCs on a multi-d.
but imo and ime 45s is a bad OR from EP if not RE or RB, even when 100+BB.
and no need to go b/r otf, or jam ott vv a LAG with no FE.
OK?

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10-09-2013 , 12:14 PM

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Loopshot1

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Originally Posted by bikram

This was the same tournament

Not here looking for credit, just feedback.

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10-09-2013 , 12:25 PM

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shichibukai

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Originally Posted by furo

Fold turn unimproved unless he bets like 1/3 and we get direct odds to call.

this

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10-09-2013 , 04:29 PM

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intclock

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ps, it's "must've had", as in "must have had", as in, the sentence needs a verb, and "of" isn't one.

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10-09-2013 , 04:42 PM

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WashUrHandsPlz

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Originally Posted by intclock

ps, it's "must've had", as in "must have had", as in, the sentence needs a verb, and "of" isn't one.

but id sauwns similarly.

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