While considering the durations of Day 1 for various Championship Events (right now, for example, WCOOP), one of the things we have to consider is where we'll be in terms of the pay table when Day 1 ends.

In many tournaments, we have to balance the desire to have a particular day 1 length with being sure to be in the money before Day 1 is concluded. At this time, we don't have the technical capability to simply instruct the server to end Day 1 after the bubble has burst. (Once we have that ability, I suspect we'll use it, but for now we can't do it so it's a moot point.)

So, this poll question. Thank you for taking the time to answer it!

I thnik you likely tilt recs by not putting them ITM on Sunday.
I myself would prefer to play the bubble with complicated stacksize- and ICM-dynamics on a weekday, since I have more space than on a Sunday.

Please offer a 7,50$ PLO Hi Deep Turbo Phase MTT soon (reg-speed Sunday phase2)

close between 3 & 4

Just make the day length something sensible. Eight hours seems to me to be a sensible length of time to balance the need to move the tourney along with the natural human desire not to sit in one place looking at the same computer screen all the time. Nine hours should be the absolute maximum imo.

Independent of that, give the tournament the structure you think it deserves. Then let the bubble be wherever it happens to be.

Multi-day tourneys should be exactly that, multi-day. As long as it's clear in the lobby then nobody should be surprised if they have to come back on a second day, and that's whether or not they've already made the money.

If it's the sort of tourney that you might want to be structured so deep that it should last into a third day, perhaps WCOOP Main, then we should probably not expect the bubble to burst until well into day two anyway.

This. Obviously it's nice to cash on day one but it's really not that important. During the scoop there were 15k player fields ending day 1 on 25 players which is ridiculous. 12-14 hour day 1s and 5 hour day 2? No harm in evening the two out.

~8 hours including the breaks, which alone are like 1 hour

I think if a day 1 is longer than ~8 hours and day 2 longer than ~10 hours, you should strongly consider making the tournament a 3+ day or making the structure quicker. For me personally I really don't care whether I make the money, I do prefer to be somewhat close at least though. Having played a stars.fr event where day 1 was really short and the structure was 25/50 with 20k ending at 250/500, it was annoying to bust mid-day 2 and not make the money. Still better than playing more than 8 hours though.

bryan, why is it that french stars can pause their big mtts when the final table is reached and you cant? its the same software right? if that can be done then i dont really care. otherwise i would much much much prefer to burst the bubble on the first day. this obv coming from a professional player not having issues with putting in 14hour sessions

I think the idea is showing that day one is of importance to those and majority want to make the money on day one..but obviously scoops might be longer into the money which is fine for pretty much anyone registering for the mtt

Pretty sure i have played FTP tournaments that finished the day when the bubble burst. Am thinking the 2 day ftops mini $215. If they can do it suprised stars can't as you own them!

In answer to your question i don't think its essential to be itm on day 2 at all. 8-9 hours including breaks sounds perfect to me.

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Shouldnt be playing a marathon day 1 for 14-15 hours but at the same time some people will have to take the monday (assuming its a sunday day 1) off work so to recompense these individuals for taking a vacation day they should be paid if possible.
I think these people will be more likely to play if they know they can get paid either way instead of missing a day of work just to lose money could be tilting and discouraging

Meh i really hate not being in the money on .frl.

i rly think it should be ITM at day 1

I'm a rec with a full time job, in Europe. I'd rather have day 1's that start at 20:00 CET to be max 8 hours long and then continue the following day. It really doesn't matter if day 2 is a lot longer, because this will only happen quite rarely to go deep enough and it affects a relatively small number of players. And usually the inconvenience is nicely compensated by the higher payouts deep in a tourney.

And for people who need to be ITM in day 1 - usually after 8hours you're ITM for tournaments 15-20 min long levels (think SM special edition, where it's about 7 hours to the bubble).

Def set a max time for day 1. 8 hours is perfect. A lot more people will play knowing when it ends exactly and then will come back pumped for day two and won't care how long it takes when they go "deep"

fyp

huge +1

Polling regs on 2p2 is counter-productive imo.

Send out an email to anyone who played in your SCOOPs this year.

Use teh data!

#4 for me

#4

Day 1's length is far far important. 8 hrs for day 1 is fine imo

#4 for sure

In many cases, I'd tend to agree. However, in the case of WCOOP the tournaments are more likely than either TCOOP or SCOOP to be heavily populated by players of a similar mindset to the players found here. The data from a poll here isn't perfect, of course... but it's enough to give us an idea.

Can you not have your bigger buy in events shorter? Surely it is not important for them to come back to day 2 in the money. (Mostly for SCOOP)

Ah didn't think this was WCOOP specific, I assumed it was targeted for erry series!

Keep in mind it depends a lot of the Buy-in of the tourney.

It is essential for a 11$ or 109$ multi-day tournament to be ITM before end of day1. Don't need to be down to final x tables, but does need to be ITM.

However, length of day1 is way more important on a 2k$ or 5k$ event. Especially the main event for example.

That said, If an event doesn't reach ITM by the end of day1, it most probably means this event needs to be on 3 days and not 2.

I'd say it's super important for recs.

Imagine a rec playing day 1 for however many hours, then having to change his schedule so he can play the next day only to bust before the money. Would be a really bad experience for him.

Personally as a reg I don't care. I'm happy with whatever is best for recs.

Recs will be excited to advance to day 2 on the other hand tho