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MiniFtops#10 : Butchered JJ MiniFtops#10 : Butchered JJ

03-14-2010 , 06:12 PM
So i'll just say I completely butchered this hand and would appreciate feedback on all streets.
*UTG has been pretty aggro so far and is running at 34/10 over 50 hands
*MP1 is 18/8 over 50 hands.
*SB is not really aggro but can be a bit spewy in some spots and is running 24/10 over 50 hands.
I'd always 3bet QQ+ but wasnt sure with JJ here especially after MP1's flat. The oversized 3bet confused me as well and wasn't sure how wide his range was in there. It kinda seemed like a wide range because nobody showed any real strength.


Full Tilt Poker MiniFTOPS Event #10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: t5913 M = 78.84
UTG+1: t4835 M = 64.47
MP1: t4465 M = 59.53
Hero (MP2): t9920 M = 132.27
CO: t8647 M = 115.29
BTN: t5200 M = 69.33
SB: t6020 M = 80.27
BB: t5000 M = 66.67

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is MP2 with J J
UTG raises to t150, 1 fold, MP1 calls t150, Hero calls t150, 2 folds, SB raises to t1100, 2 folds, MP1 calls t950, Hero calls t950

Flop: (t3500) 5 5 3 (3 players)
SB bets t4920 all in, MP1 folds, Hero calls t4920
MiniFtops#10 : Butchered JJ Quote
03-14-2010 , 07:15 PM
don`t like the flat call after one caller. i prefer to 3 bet it right here.

as played. after sb 3-bet and mp1 flats im shoving or folding in this spot.
and a way lot more folding than shoving.
MiniFtops#10 : Butchered JJ Quote
03-15-2010 , 01:57 PM
bump
MiniFtops#10 : Butchered JJ Quote
03-15-2010 , 02:01 PM
3bet to 600 instead of flatting, and fold if SB 4bets - guaranteed AA or KK.
MiniFtops#10 : Butchered JJ Quote
03-15-2010 , 02:01 PM
pre: the initial flat is the best play by far...we are too deep to 3 bet call and we have position on the original raiser...3 bet folding is meh here so really really like the first flat

I think the best play is to fold to the SB's huge pre 3 bet though I can see back shoving too

if we decide to call pre than I doubt I am folding the flop as played
MiniFtops#10 : Butchered JJ Quote
03-15-2010 , 03:02 PM
What ssnyc said, though I err on the side of folding. Getting it in with JJ for 200BB strikes me as unnecessarily risky if the players are this bad. On the other hand, if they really are bad, then you might have the best hand ... tough spot, but I think I just fold to the huge 3! after an UTG raise and two flatters.
MiniFtops#10 : Butchered JJ Quote
03-15-2010 , 03:07 PM
I'd probably fold to the 3bet, his raise there is like always QQ+, AK this deep. First flat vs. UTG raiser is good.
MiniFtops#10 : Butchered JJ Quote
03-15-2010 , 03:13 PM
I think that once the player in front calls the utg raise then we should 3 bet to 550-600 and fold to a 4-bet. I don't mind flatting the utg if nobody has called in front of us bu I prefer to thin this field and find out if utg can beat JJ while we are this deep.
MiniFtops#10 : Butchered JJ Quote
03-15-2010 , 03:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeDiego
I think that once the player in front calls the utg raise then we should 3 bet to 550-600 and fold to a 4-bet. I don't mind flatting the utg if nobody has called in front of us bu I prefer to thin this field and find out if utg can beat JJ while we are this deep.
so we want him them to fold better hands or call with worse hands when we 3 bet?

We have position...if we are 4 bet folding we may as well flat and set mine/ see what they do with position
MiniFtops#10 : Butchered JJ Quote
03-15-2010 , 04:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssnyc
pre: the initial flat is the best play by far...we are too deep to 3 bet call and we have position on the original raiser...3 bet folding is meh here so really really like the first flat

I think the best play is to fold to the SB's huge pre 3 bet though I can see back shoving too

if we decide to call pre than I doubt I am folding the flop as played

basically this. We're wayyyyy to deep to be 3betting initially here, if we're calling pre and getting a flop like this I'm calling the flop overjam.
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