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12-05-2016 , 07:26 PM
Yo,

Don't post too much here so pls dont flame too hard and try to give me some insight realy confused bout this one.

5k Merit Cyprus HR start of day 3, tourney got ~60 runners w reentries, soft field mostly. ~26 left 9 get paid.

Villain is a ~25 yr old Russian reg who chopped the main event in these series, havent played w him at all. Seems to know what hes doing at first look but no real reads so not sure realy.

I've been a regular in these series but havent been there in like a year, think he knows who I am tho as we got some mutual friends.

We've been playing like 2 orbits since start of day, he's seen me play 2 hands where I called an EP open, called a rather large cbet on K75ssc 3 way, tank/folded to a raise from a known fish behind me then told him I folded KQcc and he shown 55. Second hand I played against villain himself, I opened EP he defended his big and x/folded to my bet on JXXr.

1500-3000-500 folds to villains btn, he opens 6.5k off a ~220 stack. sb folds i have ~125k on bb I make it 19.5 w QcQd. Villain calls very quickly.

KcKsTc

I bet 15.5 into 42.5, He calls.

Jc

I check, he bets 37k into 73.5. I tank a bit, count my stack i have ~90k.
I call.

4s

I check, Villain thinks for like 10 seconds, puts a stack of 5k chips in and announces all in.

i have to call ~55k to win ~257 but have no clue about his tendencies vs 3bets esp in these btn vs bb spots, also no idea what he knows about my bb strategy. I prob 3bet here very narrow and polarized, peel a lot so I almost dont have any KX besides AK which i might play this way. I prob keep betting hands like JJ and TT (w tens i might even not 3b pre sometimes) as i can get value from Kx and flushes. So basicly I'm pretty close to the top of my range and I'm getting an insane price but like I said villain doesnt realy know my bb strategy and im not even sure on what level hes thinking. I'm trying realy hard to find logical hands for him to get to the river here and bluff with, gotta be something realy random like 89ss A9ss (?) or turn some Tx to a bluff. Maybe w his turn sizing and my stack behind I should be folding/gii on the turn w my whole range? Also like I said field is very soft for sure for a 5k so tis spot got me

help pls hsmtts
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12-05-2016 , 07:41 PM
Oh also one more thought about my flop cbet, actualy thought about checking cause like I said flop aint too good for my range, dont have too many Kx and no strong draws here once I 3b pre but given that and that I have a pretty good hand and can get value from a lot of stuff like Tx, random clubs, AJ and other floats like AXss decided to bet on the small side. would appreciate thoughts about flop too tnx.
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12-05-2016 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by timtime
Yo,



I prob 3bet here very narrow and polarized, peel a lot so I almost dont have any KX besides AK which i might play this way.
without going into the river spot, I think this clearly shows we should check a ton on this board on the flop. Turn and river are painful as played. would fold though. not sure about turn, could be a fold already...
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12-05-2016 , 09:04 PM
Seems like a fine spot to flat pre
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12-05-2016 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
Seems like a fine spot to flat pre
Hell to the no.

I like pre and I like flop with Qc. When he bets turn I would be already suspicious. What worse hands is he betting for value there? None. What hands is he bluffing there after calling turn? Eeeeh, some kind of ATo with Ac? Seems like a bit of a stretch.

So unless villain is a total monkey he would have plenty of value hands here KJs/some KJo/KTs/TT/JJ/AQ/some flushes. Can't find enough bluffs for him to even try and justify calling turn.
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12-06-2016 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
Seems like a fine spot to flat pre
That's being results oriented, no?
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12-06-2016 , 06:29 PM
What do you guys think about betting flop and then shoving turn there?

He has an outside straight flush draw, so he has a lot of equity if he gets called. I don't see why button can't have a super wide range here based on the positions and his stack size.
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12-07-2016 , 02:43 AM
We do not have a lot of equity if called when shoving turn.

Turn is pretty easy c/f, his value range we can have 2 outs vs and he doesn't have any natural bluffs at all.
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12-07-2016 , 03:36 PM
What about checking the flop? Way better flop for our range, easier to play when checking the flop etc
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12-07-2016 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Kapitonas
What about checking the flop? Way better flop for our range, easier to play when checking the flop etc
If it's better for our range then we should bet more and check less.
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12-07-2016 , 06:14 PM
16 combos of ak, then kqs, kjs are all going to be pretty easy 3bs so you have plenty enough kx here.
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12-07-2016 , 06:17 PM
he on the other hand has 0 ak combos, basically no kq combos so hes getting kind of light on kx here
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12-07-2016 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad1Lee
If it's better for our range then we should bet more and check less.
For sure, my bad.
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12-07-2016 , 08:51 PM
xf turn is absurd
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12-08-2016 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
Seems like a fine spot to flat pre
Yah seems like a clear spot to setmine...way too weak to get it in btn vs BB...and an A or K always comes otf...
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12-08-2016 , 01:20 AM
please
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12-16-2016 , 06:47 PM
aaight tnx for your input guys.
results: i tanked river, he called clock after a few minutes but like some of you said i couldnt realy find any "natural" bluffs for him so i folded, idk maybe should just fold turn but we do have the open ended ROYAL draw and he still might be bluffin or doing a silly bet w Jx Tx for some reason, river i realy dont know what he wants me to fold unless hes a total monkey. I think i do like my flop bet as sort of bottom of value range betting flop (which is super narrow anyway) w the Qc but maybe checking would make the hand just easier to play. I mean it is kinda bein resluts oriented but it is very likely to be in tough spots when we have a bottomish value hand and were oop readless so maybe forfit some eq in advance...
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12-26-2016 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
basically no kq combos


How does villain play 88-99 with a club? without a club?
WP I think, folding river seems ok as we're pretty low down in our range here.
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12-27-2016 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sloppyfred


How does villain play 88-99 with a club? without a club?
WP I think, folding river seems ok as we're pretty low down in our range here.
Since we have two queens. It's much harder for him to have kq ducy not sure why you give the confused emoji
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01-04-2017 , 04:37 PM
His value range here are most likely boats KJ KT AK yes too. He might turn AJ/JT into bluff how you see that? If he is good it would make sense. Online i prolly make the call, live i have some doubts on this.
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01-05-2017 , 04:48 PM
Should your value 3b range against a BTN raise really be KK+? It is OK to occasionally flat, but preflop seems super standard.

He can have a boat, flush, straight or trips on the turn. The high flop hits his r/c preflop range, and a lot of draws got there OTT. You probably still can't fold.
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