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09-30-2009 , 03:10 AM

#26

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Originally Posted by THAY3R

It's the nature of tournaments to be a loser.

/thread

Either you can deal with this or you can't. If you can't, learn to play cash games.

I'd like to write longer smart things like superfluous man but i'm not in the mood and he already did so just read that

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09-30-2009 , 03:10 AM

#27

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Originally Posted by flopp_deuces

This couldnt' be anymore true.....MTT's are the hardest thing to play profitably when you are feeling burnt out from poker. Hard to play patient good poker when you don't feel like putting in a long session to begin with.

While I agree with this completely, I think the OPs problem is moreso dealing with the fact that he has just been losing so much and is just always soulcrushed from poker/ not having enough $. OP has a pretty good life outside of poker.

I think i quoted wrong post. lol

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09-30-2009 , 03:17 AM

#28

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Originally Posted by gettym

Wat? If you're saying he's not in the top quarter of the field in online HSMTT's you're either ******ed or you misspoke.

If you're saying he's not in the top 25% of regs that crush HSMTT's u may be right but still lol wtf?

and who are u btw?

I think by reading his prev posts you'll be able to work out that he's full of ****

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09-30-2009 , 08:16 AM

#29

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Originally Posted by superswift

healthy diet + regular exercise + life balance away from poker + play only when your in the zone and feeling good = better results in mtt's.

not an HSMTT guy but I agree 100%...this year I have been stretched in a million directions real life wise and have never quite felt optimal when I sit for a session. At times I feel like I am playing because I should be getting some MTTs in but either tired or mentally uncommitted.

Goal is to manage time to allow for poker time being 100% poker time and to prepare so I am at my best when I do play

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09-30-2009 , 11:51 AM

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The structures in online MTTs are terrible (and I only play the highest buy-in tournies, so I'm sure in the lower levels they're a lot worse). Tournaments in general have a rather low correlation between skill and results, online MTTs have a much lower one due to the structures. If you go back and evaluate a win or good score you'll see that you ran exceptionally well in preflop all-ins.

The Sunday tournaments are the worst in terms of structure and the huge field sizes also add to your variance. I'm down like $36K on Sundays this year, and I'd like to think I'm a bit better than the average player in the Sunday tournaments.

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09-30-2009 , 11:57 AM

#31

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Originally Posted by Todd Terry

great point, but do you think it would be more beneficial in terms of ROI to play on the live circuit, if you take into account all the added expense of traveling and such.

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09-30-2009 , 12:00 PM

#32

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Originally Posted by two8s

great point, but do you think it would be more beneficial in terms of ROI to play on the live circuit, if you take into account all the added expense of traveling and such.

Obviously my personal answer to that is yes, since that's what I do!

But it's not easy, either. The number of tournaments you can play is limited. You can have trips like I did in February when I went out to LA. I played a $5K prelim, lost a huge pot in the 4th level with AA aipf vs. KK. Then a day off, then played for 3 full days in the $10K main event before going out a few away from the money with QQ aipf vs. JJ. That's a week of my life, cross-country trip, hotel and meal expenses, jet lag, played forever and came away with nothing.

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09-30-2009 , 12:04 PM

#33

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

time management is an important aspect to being succesfull in whatever you do

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09-30-2009 , 12:14 PM

#34

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gg todd in the 750 - was ghey - wat did you call that guy with when he showed down JJ?

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09-30-2009 , 12:17 PM

#35

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Originally Posted by wisconsinfan

gg todd in the 750 - was ghey - wat did you call that guy with when he showed down JJ?

76s IIRC, like 3rd pair. I'll give him credit, he made a really good value bet on the river. He checked back the flop so he never had an overpair, flopped set or a flush and very rarely had top pair, so there was very little in his range that he could be betting for value and he bluffs more than anyone on the planet.

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09-30-2009 , 12:39 PM

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I feel this way sometimes, but mostly on Sundays. I've only had like 2 winning Sundays since I've been playing online poker and just hearing other guys talk about how they're the juiciest days for an online mtt pro makes me sick.

Basically, Superfluous Man and Thayer have made the best posts in this thread imo.

p.s. We play together enough that I feel like you should be on my AIM, so if you want, PM it to me.

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09-30-2009 , 12:44 PM

#37

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Ya I thought it was a sick bet too, figured you had 98 or something.

p.s ty

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09-30-2009 , 12:46 PM

#38

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Originally Posted by vtlaxer09

lol at being 150k in makeup from online mtt's.

be a little more ignorant

I really hate people who have run above expectation over their career and have absolutely no concept of variance (or reality) and choose to act on this by being a dick to others while attempting to speak from authority.

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09-30-2009 , 01:18 PM

#39

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I think being emo about being a bad player is better then being a bad player and just thinking variance is the reason you are in makeup.

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09-30-2009 , 01:23 PM

#40

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Originally Posted by J4est

I think being emo about being a bad player is better then being a bad player and just thinking variance is the reason you are in makeup.

QFT

I think this lines up a lot with what I was saying [or trying to] before.

Some pretty good advice ITT for those that aren't reading closely, imo.

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09-30-2009 , 01:38 PM

#41

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Originally Posted by Todd Terry

The structures in online MTTs are terrible (and I only play the highest buy-in tournies, so I'm sure in the lower levels they're a lot worse). Tournaments in general have a rather low correlation between skill and results, online MTTs have a much lower one due to the structures. If you go back and evaluate a win or good score you'll see that you ran exceptionally well in preflop all-ins.

The Sunday tournaments are the worst in terms of structure and the huge field sizes also add to your variance. I'm down like $36K on Sundays this year, and I'd like to think I'm a bit better than the average player in the Sunday tournaments.

I've always thought online tourneys had better structures, simply because you saw so many more hands per hour online than live. Is this wrong?

What online tourneys have structures comparable to live than? Only FTOPS and WCOOP?

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09-30-2009 , 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by twonine29

What online tourneys have structures comparable to live than? Only FTOPS and WCOOP?

Yes. And I'm comparing to significant live events, $1K+ -- most smaller live events have garbage structures. The 2-day events during FTOPS and WCOOP were the only online events I've played this year that I actually felt really were legitimate tournaments.

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09-30-2009 , 01:52 PM

#43

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Originally Posted by Todd Terry

I don't know how you can comment about "lower level" online tournaments if you never play them. In any case, while your "lower correlation between skill and results" may well be true on a tourney-by-tourney basis, the fact that you can play 10x or more online tournaments than live tournaments in a year mean that on a time basis, results in say a year will be much more highly correlated with skill online than live.

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09-30-2009 , 02:02 PM

#44

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Not really speaking from experience but surely the fact that you can multi-table across various diff sites far outweighs the better structures when playing live?

EDIT:Lol, Bonified just kinda summed this up in the post above but I failed to read that far into the thread - fail!

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09-30-2009 , 02:07 PM

#45

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Originally Posted by Bonified

I don't know how you can comment about "lower level" online tournaments if you never play them.

I was commenting on the structures. They are worse, correct?

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In any case, while your "lower correlation between skill and results" may well be true on a tourney-by-tourney basis, the fact that you can play 10x or more online tournaments than live tournaments in a year mean that on a time basis, results in say a year will be much more highly correlated with skill online than live.

I disagree, nothing to back it up other than intuition and experience -- modeling MTT results is an exercise in futility.

Edit: Take the Stars $1K Super Tuesday for example. You start with 3000 chips, and 1 hour into the tournament the blinds are 50/100. A starting stack is 30 BBs 1 hour in, there is just no way the correlation between skill and results is going to be strong in a tournament like that. And that's the most expensive tournament of the week on Stars, everything else presumably is as bad or worse.

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09-30-2009 , 02:11 PM

#46

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i am afraid to respond to any TT post for fear of being leveled

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09-30-2009 , 02:16 PM

#47

Shan

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Originally Posted by C Lovett

i am afraid to respond to any TT post for fear of being leveled

+1

Good thread though, thx OP looks like a lot of people are feeling the same or at least thinking about it but never asked the question.

So thanks again some good stuff in here

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09-30-2009 , 02:18 PM

#48

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Originally Posted by C Lovett

i am afraid to respond to any TT post for fear of being leveled

At least I'm far enough away that I can't dump coffee on you.

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09-30-2009 , 02:21 PM

#49

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TT confirming my fears that I'm actually a losing player ITT.

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09-30-2009 , 02:27 PM

#50

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I was commenting on the structures. They are worse, correct?

Sigh. Lawyers ITT. Yes, they are a little worse. However, you were inferring that they are worse enough such that there is very little correlation between skill and results in smaller online tournaments.

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I disagree, nothing to back it up other than intuition and experience -- modeling MTT results is an exercise in futility.

I'm working off intuition and experience too. Based on 3000+ online tournaments since going pro. And you ?