short handed, blinds swallowing me up in a few hands...

Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 6 players
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MP: t13640 M = 11.37
Hero (CO): t1980 M = 1.65
BTN: t1425 M = 1.19
SB: t5395 M = 4.50
BB: t2815 M = 2.35
UTG: t10055 M = 8.38

Pre Flop: (t1200) Hero is CO with 5 K
2 folds, Hero raises to t1930 all in

ez shove

yeah. it's good.

dont get this short

I'm sure you mean well, but it's really a useless comment.

There's like a million ways you can play perfectly fine and still find yourself in OP's position.

Especially in a 45 man.

no, there isn't

you should be shoving atc from any position way before you get this short

The only time you should ever be this short is if you were crippled the hand immediately before by a shortstack. Otherwise, you shouldn't be this short. If you are, you're doing something incorrectly.

You have seriously no clue what happened to OP's stack the hand before.

And in the 45 mans there are a ton of spots where ICM will tell you not to call your chips off.

This kind of (incorrect) blanket statements are really not helpful to anybody, but I can see they might make you feel cool and in control.

There really aren't if your stack is that low. Remember ICM doesn't count for much of anything if you're in last place with an M of less than 2...

i'm assuming he's been blinded off, obviously i could be way off but i don't think my statement has any less validity

seeing how there are 11-13 people left, using icm instead of cev to justify your decisions is only a costly mistake

i haven't stated anything incorrect and certainly my response is helpful if he was blinded off as opposed to losing a big pot, just because you don't deem it helpful it doesn't mean my intentions for posting were counter-productive or nonconstructive, but thank you for the assessment of why you think i post on this forum

K5o is the nuts in this spot

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instaship

You're wrong. Have you ever ground 45 mans? the structure goes from 100/200/25 to 200/400/25 to 300/600/50 it's very very easy to be playing correctly in these and be this short. Furthermore, there arn't always unraised spots this deep with a bunch of people shoving infront of you and stuff.

if "ground 45 mans" means having played them before, then the answer is yes, even at 200/400/25 i'd still be shoving atc utg with this short of a stack, especially 6 handed, you should not be getting this short in these, regardless of the huge jumps in structure, fold equity is too important

"ground 45 mans" is past tense of "grinding 45 mans".

Meaning playing at least a few thousands of them over the course of not that many month, and getting a good feel for the dynamics of the format.

The jump in the structure means, that you can go from a hand where shoving bottom 20% is -EV to being short stacked on the very next hand. It still doesn't make it +EV to shove bottom 20%.

We try to discuss concrete hands in these posts, because any hand involves are so many parameters "it depends" that general discussions and blanket statements about strategy tend to be less than useful.

OP posted a very clear "shove or not" hand question. It's unclear to me why you stubbornly insist on critisizing OP's general approach to the game based on your guess of what went down before the posted hand.

i have ground (grinded such a better word!) these, i figured the first two posts were enough to answer his original question, and i agree with shoving this hand

i've stated that being blinded down this short is an error in play (whether it be 200/400/25 or 300/600/50), obviously we don't know what happened in the last few hands, and if he lost a big hand then that's rather unfortunate, i simply made a statement (if it's applicable to his previous hands, then great, if not oh well), but you guys are making a way bigger deal out of my original post than it should be

i don't think i've been stubborn about anything, the posts i've replied to imply (at least from my perspective) situations of the hero being blinded out as opposed to losing a showdown, in which case i do not think you can get this short from strictly blinds/antes by playing well

-Completely possible to play perfect tournament poker and find yourself with M=~3

-WP, OP. Attack those blinds in this spot. I'm not sure I would shove ATC but certainly any pair, ace high, king high, two broadway cards. I just don't like to shove 93o into a pair of jacks when I can still pick my spot a bit.

-/thread

yes

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