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02-09-2010 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SSPP
Well not so hard when I reread it.
not sure I understand what you mean. My initial post was asking whether there was any strategy whatsoever here or did he just want to brag about winning a hand. TBH I am still not sure

To address briefly my being a mod and posting etc...I post pretty much the same everywhere and am at times more direct than others. For new posters I am a heck of a lot less so while I try to take into account each person's experience, skill set and playing/posting history.

In Mr Zeal's case I may berate and disagree with him on hands as a poster but as a mod I have tried to give a lot of leeway. I have been asked if he is a level account and in my judgment though I disagree with him a lot I think he is sincere. I have also addressed posters who I think have gone over the line with insults or statements that are personal and not about the posted hands.

Simply put I try to do my best as a mod but I also post what I think about each spot honestly.
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02-09-2010 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by unrealzeal

, i won't mention any names but people like cborders are on life tilt from hours of breakeven play they have to have a punching bag and for some stupid reason it's not only tolerated by the mods but exacerbated by them even when the attacks are personal but whattya gonna do this is the best forum going
Guess we have a different definition of "won't mention any names". Usually when I say that I don't mention names 3 words later!

Also, aren't you a known multi-accounter? Why aren't you banned? Be more of a scumbag please.
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02-09-2010 , 06:01 PM
sigh...this thread was amusing but if nothing new comes out of it I'll be locking soon
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02-09-2010 , 06:03 PM
may as well lock it down now as i see this page filling with personal attacks
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02-09-2010 , 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SSPP
..we look at chip EV:
He has 22611 if he folds
He misses flop 32.4% (only counting pair or better) and folds.
His stack will be 53222 when he wins
Then he has to win 45% of the times he hits for this to be +cEV. If we take some ICM into this it has to be +$EV.
I will spare everyone the math but I checked these and am getting 43% req equity AI OTF for cEv assuming we hit 30%... so these are figures are good IYAM.
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02-09-2010 , 06:06 PM
Guess I struck a nerve! Oops. I'd rather be breakeven and honest than a lying multiaccounter. Funny thing is as a mediocre, breakeven-at-best reg I can find backing any day of the week from a number of people whereas you struggle to get so much as one response that isn't poking fun at your stupidity or making potential investors aware that you play under multiple accounts and lie about your cash game winnings.

It's a shame people quote your posts as it defeats the purpose of the ignore feature.

Have a good day
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02-09-2010 , 06:13 PM
Oh, by the way...Take away your one 17k score and which of us has made more lifetime? If all the separates a "great" player such as yourself and I is a single score and a couple of extra accounts, I feel pretty damn good.
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02-09-2010 , 06:50 PM
Tryed it in this dimension:


Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: t1865 M = 6.22
CO: t4370 M = 14.57
BTN: t4110 M = 13.70
SB: t1665 M = 5.55
Hero (BB): t1280 M = 4.27
UTG: t3140 M = 10.47
UTG+1: t3240 M = 10.80
UTG+2: t2490 M = 8.30
MP1: t1415 M = 4.72

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BB with 6 T
7 folds, SB raises to t400, Hero calls t200

Flop: (t800) J 6 9 (2 players)
SB bets t400, Hero raises to t880 all in, SB calls t480

Turn: (t2560) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2560) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2560
SB shows T A (a pair of Aces)
Hero shows 6 T (a pair of Sixes)
SB wins t2560

Still think my EV is good here though.
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02-09-2010 , 07:36 PM
ssnyc: you know my advice is sincere yes i posted it both as a brag and as a lesson to novice players why minraising a small stack from the sb won't work in the long run

SSPP: that's a good call by you it costs you too much to fold so see a flop it's better than folding

cborders: I am just going to ask you politely not to attack me personally in my threads there are people trying to learn poker in the forum who might benefit from what i say i miss people like aprilsfool who stopped posting because of all the crap he got if i get banned i'm fine with that but leave it up to the mods plz

mullen: you don't know me perhaps i am a scumbag I am not very likable to be sure and i don't like people in general or at least i don't like being around them and i'm arrogant but i've never cheated anyone in my life i have never stolen from anyone i am a dad trying to take care of my kids thru poker -- again if you don't know me please don't assume

forum: this is a training ground and place to put ideas in it should not be personal it's to our own benefit to allow different ideas in the forum there is no reason to try and discredit anyone esp when they are here to learn and get better at poker -- i wish i could go one day in poker without making a mistake but i suck so i come here to get better and i have been very generous with my advice i see this as a game first and profession second

Last edited by unrealzeal; 02-09-2010 at 07:50 PM.
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02-09-2010 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by areaman
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02-09-2010 , 07:47 PM
/thread.
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02-09-2010 , 08:21 PM
op is still better than everyone in this thread
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02-09-2010 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lordTasse
op is still better than everyone in this thread
yeah but is that saying much?
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02-09-2010 , 08:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SSPP
Third: I think unreal's play is correct here. If we look at chip EV:
He has 22611 if he folds
He misses flop 32.4% (only counting pair or better) and folds.
His stack will be 53222 when he wins
Then he has to win 45% of the times he hits for this to be +cEV. If we take some ICM into this it has to be +$EV.

Edit:So I know how to the math, But I am a moron. He hit's 32.4% (not 67.6%). Then he has to win 58% of the times he hits the flop. Still think it is correct.
Finally some math ITT. My calcs are slightly different but got the same result:

Stack if fold pre = 22611
Stack if fold flop = 18611
Stack if win showdown = 54822 (including antes)
Can continue on flop 30%

EV required to breakeven =
22611 - (0.7 * 18611) = 9584
9584 / (0.3 * 54822) = 58%


So this depends on SB's range, if you give him top 60% it becomes close, but after running some flops in stove I still think it's slightly -ev or breakeven at best (have about 55% equity on average)
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02-09-2010 , 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssnyc
yeah but is that saying much?
thats the sad part!
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02-09-2010 , 09:00 PM
with op stack and facing a mini-raise from sb pre-flop, im shoving here a lot.
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