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03-04-2016 , 11:09 AM
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 1,000/2,000 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Not a lot of history w Villain. He 3b us earlier BB/OTB, and we 4bshoved getting a fold 33bbeff. He seemed to be pretty active finding 3bprf spots.
What % of our prf range are we flatting the 3b w? Do we have a 4b/f vs this sizing?

We 20/15/8

Thoughts pre, turn, river?

UTG: 44,762 (VPIP: 14.58, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 48)
Hero (UTG+1): 73,169
MP: 37,082 (VPIP: 15.53, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 104)
CO: 88,334 (VPIP: 27.42, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 13.04, Hands: 128)
BTN: 38,540 (VPIP: 31.43, PFR: 24.29, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 70)
SB: 11,575 (VPIP: 22.82, PFR: 11.43, 3Bet Preflop: 8.16, Hands: 151)
BB: 69,833 (VPIP: 31.63, PFR: 18.56, 3Bet Preflop: 10.64, Hands: 98)

7 players post ante of 200, SB posts SB 1,000, BB posts BB 2,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 4,400) Hero has A 8

fold, Hero raises to 4,000, fold, CO raises to 9,327, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 5,327

Flop: (23,054, 2 players) 2 T J
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (23,054, 2 players) T
Hero checks, CO bets 7,800, Hero calls 7,800

River: (38,654, 2 players) 5
Hero ?
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03-04-2016 , 12:28 PM
Can 4b/f pre some but flatting is fine. Would like to hear your turn thoughts/reasoning. Are we c/f normal sized bets? Why do you prefer that to b/f?

River is a c/shove after checking turn, won't be perceived to have many/any flushes in our range and very few boat combos that we can expect v to play like this. Curse when v has JJ I guess.

Last edited by tboneparte; 03-04-2016 at 03:53 PM.
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03-04-2016 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tboneparte
Can 4b/f pre some but flatting is fine. Would like to hear your turn thoughts/reasoning. Are we c/f normal sized bets? Why do you prefer that to b/f?
I really don't want to lead this turn w much of anything I flatted the 3b w pre, I don't think, except maybe exactly TT (AJs?) ? I didn't think we should ever b/f here, when due to his pre-sizing, I think we now hold the eq adv on this turn w the presence of a lot more Tx, and blocking nut spade draws which could have found a b/3bshove on turn, also creating bdfdhh...not entirely sure on this tho. My plan was to x/c smaller sizing, and c/s larger sizing.
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03-04-2016 , 06:02 PM
Hand looks fine so far. Definitely don't don't river. I think I'd probably X/c unless he makes it pretty small.
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03-05-2016 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by gregz41
Hand looks fine so far. Definitely don't don't river. I think I'd probably X/c unless he makes it pretty small.

Thoughts on bet range?
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03-05-2016 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by AmpeFund
I really don't want to lead this turn w much of anything I flatted the 3b w pre, I don't think, except maybe exactly TT (AJs?) ? I didn't think we should ever b/f here, when due to his pre-sizing, I think we now hold the eq adv on this turn w the presence of a lot more Tx, and blocking nut spade draws which could have found a b/3bshove on turn, also creating bdfdhh...not entirely sure on this tho. My plan was to x/c smaller sizing, and c/s larger sizing.
Why wouldnt you lead Tx and some draws ott?
Not that we should necessarily lead this one.
check river, I would've been tempted to c/jam.
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03-05-2016 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by user12345
Why wouldnt you lead Tx and some draws ott?
Not that we should necessarily lead this one.
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Given the dynamic that preceded this turn, I think our dist. plays better as c/f, c/c or c/r. I think he has 4 combos left of Tx, and 3 of Jx that may have checked flop. The rest are underpairs, and Ax that may have picked up bd equity, and I think his sizing would be telling. I guess exploitatively barreling to gain equity vs AJs or denying hh combos has some merit, but overall, I think we protect/increase the value of the mid-bottom part of our range.
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03-06-2016 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by AmpeFund
My plan was to x/c smaller sizing, and c/s larger sizing.
I think i would do exactly the opposite
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03-06-2016 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tboneparte
Thoughts on bet range?
On which one? Turn is most debatable, but I'm not sure I want one there.
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03-06-2016 , 12:49 PM
Ze turn
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03-06-2016 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gregz41
On which one? Turn is most debatable, but I'm not sure I want one there.
you wouldn`t lead combodraws bc he can have JJ?
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03-07-2016 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by user12345
you wouldn`t lead combodraws bc he can have JJ?
Leading turns when the board pairs and it's not the top card that pairs. That's something that I don't advise doing very often. But in a 3bet pot, I could see it being less important.
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