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02-19-2009 , 01:32 AM

rmthawk64

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Poker Stars $30+$3 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 43107
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: t4245 M = 14.15
UTG: t5490 M = 18.30
UTG+1: t3550 M = 11.83
UTG+2: t2200 M = 7.33
MP1: t3960 M = 13.20
Hero (MP2): t7930 M = 26.43
CO: t17716 M = 59.05
BTN: t1465 M = 4.88
SB: t15226 M = 50.75

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is MP2 with T

4 folds, Hero raises to t575, CO calls t575, 3 folds

Flop: (t1450) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (t1450) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets t1005, CO calls t1005

River: (t3460) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Thoughts on all streets?

Was going to bluff river, but decided I had too much SD value.

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02-19-2009 , 02:19 AM

pukerz

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Kind of torn on the flop.. I like the check for pot control.. are you c/c flop?

c/f or c/c river?

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02-19-2009 , 02:27 AM

emodane

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I think I'd rather bet here on the flop here, but as played it looks good.

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02-19-2009 , 02:30 AM

rmthawk64

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I was c/c flop.

I planned on c/c river b/c his range is polarized

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02-19-2009 , 04:39 PM

rmthawk64

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02-19-2009 , 05:21 PM

skik210

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I tend to lead out on the flop but I think c/c is fine.

I'd like to know what your reasoning was for leading the turn, he didnt show strength so you took a stab?

river is fine as played, I prolly c/c anything reasonable

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02-19-2009 , 05:31 PM

ssnyc

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are you betting the turn for value? or as a bluff? plan if raised?

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02-19-2009 , 05:36 PM

OkTime4PlanB

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check fold flop or bet fold flop, i prefer check fold because this flop hits a ton of his pf calling range, the only thing wiffing this flop is probably his small pairs. If he's loose and playing a lot of hands bet fold in that situation.

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02-19-2009 , 05:39 PM

aces_full1963

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like the check on the flop, if villian bets there you are certainly not going away. Turn I like also, 3 flush hits the board, nice bet. River is ? I think I would check it also. wp

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02-19-2009 , 05:41 PM

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aces_full1963

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Originally Posted by OkTime4PlanB

Why c/f flop? Hero has an oesd. I would c/c I think.

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02-19-2009 , 05:46 PM

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OkTime4PlanB

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Originally Posted by aces_full1963

Why c/f flop? Hero has an oesd. I would c/c I think.

reverse implied odds

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02-19-2009 , 05:47 PM

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rmthawk64

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Originally Posted by aces_full1963

Why c/f flop? Hero has an oesd. I would c/c I think.

Actually, I don't think c/f is bad at all now that I thought about it.

If I get there, it's super easy to be ranged/ reverse implied odds and such.

Basically, I don't really get value when I get there w/o fading dumb amounts of outs.

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02-19-2009 , 05:50 PM

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skik210

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makes sense, hes not getting much more money from villain, if anything, if he gets there. c/f isnt horrible on flop now that I think about it more.

would still like to know why you bet turn?

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02-19-2009 , 06:01 PM

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OkTime4PlanB

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doubt it matters vs this villain but when you check flop and then lead out turn your range is polarized and almost always a mid pair/j/9

edit: maybe Ad sometimes

Last edited by OkTime4PlanB; 02-19-2009 at 06:08 PM.

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02-19-2009 , 06:01 PM

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jasonkc

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I'm just gonna address the turn bet, I think I like the turn bet, will give you a little bit of a better idea of where you are, as opposed to checking. If you bet the turn and he raises, your gone, if he calls, your probably checking the river. On the other hand if you check the turn, your in a tough spot if villain bets, since you haven't shown any strength thus far, it's reasonable for villain to bet with any cards he has, even if they are worse than yours. Also, if you check the turn, cards that you now beat, like a small pocket pair with a diamond that would fold if you bet, now have a free shot at taking this pot.

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02-19-2009 , 06:03 PM

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OkTime4PlanB

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

are you betting the turn for value? or as a bluff? plan if raised?

value obv..

snap fold

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02-19-2009 , 08:57 PM

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aces_full1963

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Originally Posted by rmthawk64

Yup, very true. i like c/f better now too.

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02-19-2009 , 09:57 PM

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SoundSpeed

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I don't mind your line, however I have played against this line before and I am the type to raise a turn lead with ATC since your line almost never means strength. If you are going to take this delayed c-bet line make sure you are balancing with strong hands. However, against aggressive players betting the turn makes your hand a bluff and you lose all value in a tought spot OOP. Against straightforward players I like it.

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