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08-08-2010 , 08:32 PM

dowsun18

grinder

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 564

no reads. I was planning to check/raise the turn, but looking back, I think i should have donked the turn. Hows the river?

Full Tilt Poker Daily Double - B No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t200 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: t43194 M = 10.28
MP2: t24878 M = 5.92
CO: t18656 M = 4.44
BTN: t44727 M = 10.65
SB: t21196 M = 5.05
Hero (BB): t48306 M = 11.50
UTG: t38337 M = 9.13
UTG+1: t20450 M = 4.87
UTG+2: t28117 M = 6.69

Pre Flop: (t4200) Hero is BB with K

3 folds, MP1 calls t1600, 4 folds, Hero checks

Flop: (t5800) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t5800, Hero calls t5800

Turn: (t17400) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks

River: (t17400) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t17400, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls t17400

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08-09-2010 , 09:18 AM

kissmyacehole

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 258

I like to c/r otf with draws like this..

It often means we can get to the river cheaper than by c/c 2 streets as villain will often check the turn unless he is uber strong.

As played i hate the call otr, we dont beat a lot..

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08-09-2010 , 09:34 AM

sandman369

adept

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 699

I like a c/r on the flop. You're pretty much 50/50 if he has an ace, but his range includes a lot of air and draws too, so you're favoured on the flop. I don't like c/c because then you're giving up the initiative and pretty much looking to hit your flush, which might not even get paid off. Also then you're guessing at his hand and you're OOP, and he could even outdraw you if he had worse on the flop (like 9x in this case).

I'd c/r to ~14k and get it in either on the flop or shove turn if he just flats.

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08-09-2010 , 09:45 AM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

stacks are great to B3B flop but i think when checking it should be to c/r/c vs the cbet

as played thats the easiest river fold ever since he has nearly no air in his range and his sizing is pretty bad as well which indicates at least Ax, prolly aces up or better

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08-09-2010 , 09:49 AM

seagraham

adept

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 900

Seems pretty bad to c/r the turn when you fold out all worse but he calls with all better. As played I would just c/f river, but I would almost always c/r/get it in OTF

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08-09-2010 , 09:51 AM

sandman369

adept

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 699

Oh yeah forgot to comment on river as played. It's a fold.

@furo: wouldn't leading out OTF make him fold his air that he takes stabs with if checked to? Gotta be more value in checking with intention to c/r/c, no?

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08-09-2010 , 09:54 AM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

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Originally Posted by sandman369

@furo: wouldn't leading out OTF make him fold his air that he takes stabs with if checked to? Gotta be more value in checking with intention to c/r/c, no?

maybe, maybe he plans on r/f flop. B3B or c/r/c (if he flats shove turn) is both fine imo and prolly gets the same amount of folds and calls.

if he is cbetting 100% we obv c/r. if he does not i think b3b is superior

readless i would B3B here.

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08-09-2010 , 11:15 AM

ssnyc

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 38,129

prob lead the flop but if I checked I would get lazy and just c/shove

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08-09-2010 , 11:18 AM

Texas Chuck

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 6,237

cant imagine ever doing anything but bet/3bet flop.

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08-09-2010 , 11:20 AM

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davethedave2

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,397

What everyone else said bout flop.

River a shocker tho imo. Fold it and be happy.

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08-09-2010 , 03:19 PM

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dowsun18

grinder

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 564

I don't think villain bets this much with just a pair of aces on the river. Looking at my line it looks soo weak that this pot bet looks soo bluffy. I don't really put him on a pair of aces becuz of his limp pre. I check called the flop because I wants to give him q chance to bluff turn

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08-09-2010 , 04:57 PM

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dowsun18

grinder

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 564

also if he did have a pair of aces or a 9x I doubt he will check back the turn with such a wet board. This river bet looks like he made a backdoor flush or straight, or it looks like hes making a bluff with a small-mid PP. But based on my line, a pot sized bet on the river is too much for value based on my perceived strength imo. Maybe i should mention that my image is probably pretty TAGGY

Last edited by dowsun18; 08-09-2010 at 05:07 PM.

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