I have been playing pretty aggressive i'd say, 3 betting pretty light and opening pretty wide. Haven't shown down to much but am playing about 1/3 of my hands.
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SB: t12495 M = 41.65
BB: t6830 M = 22.77
UTG: t9040 M = 30.13
UTG+1: t7050 M = 23.50
MP1: t10725 M = 35.75
MP2: t8650 M = 28.83
CO: t11345 M = 37.82
Hero (BTN): t9978 M = 33.26

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BTN with J A
3 folds, MP2 calls t200, 1 fold, Hero raises to t915, 2 folds, MP2 calls t715

Flop: (t2130) 7 7 9 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t1215, MP2 raises to t3400, Hero raises to t9063 all in,

I think situations like this are pretty common when playing loose, and i feel like my image is being taken advantage of. I do not want to fold to villian's check raise because it looks like he wants me to fold and i have a hard time seeing him play a monster like this. So, is this just spew then? Do I just have to concede everytime i get check raised? Thoughts appreciated.

Any reads? Is the guy really going to c/r, put half of his stack in, then fold to an all-in?

Without reads I usually give up to a c/r when I have total air. It's a pretty strong line and I just give a random credit for a hand.

As long as he's smart enough to know your image and get what you are... good bet. Otherwise... spew.

Yeah, he was playing loose as well, not as loose as me, but loose.

I get caught in this situation alot too when I give someone credit for playing against my aggressiveness but I usually find out that they just have a good hand. I think it's best to just let these go without a pretty strong read.

i think your raise size is a little big preflop, 4x should be sufficient and keeps the pot more manageable.

this seems a like a good spot to check back the flop, but if we do bet it then agreed it should probably be with the intention of stacking off.

In chh's well thread, he made a point that we often play back at players as if we were playing against ourselves. Way too often, I will give a player credit for paying attention to my play style and then misconstruing their play as purposefully intended towards me, whereas they are often just playing their cards the way they normally would. You made a ballsy, "I'm thinking that he's thinking what I'm thinking that he's thinking" play here but unfortunately, this often ends up in simply overthinking. He's probably got something like 55 here and has you properly pinned for missed overs without all that extra analysis.

good point, and i agree that we often give our opponents too much credit for adjusting to our play when they are just playing their hands. but the problem is that even if we know the guy has 55 here, we still have almost 40% equity. so once we c-bet the flop, even if villain turns his 55 face up and reraises us, it's still correct to shove. villain will be folding a small % of the time, and when he doesn't we are still getting more than enough odds from the pot to draw to our 40%. couple that with the fact that a lot of the time villain will have some random crap like JT/T8/A2 or w/e, and it means that once we put money in the pot on the flop, it can never be correct to fold.

The thing is villian limped from MP2 then called a raise (snap call?) for over more than 4x .. then C/R us on the flop (instacheck, instaraise?). I honestly think he's gonna call us down with a small/mid pair. To me I see a player that had a plan for us PREflop (if the call,check,and raise came pretty quick) and thus had a hand preflop I think we are beat.
I dont think that we need to concede everytime, but I honestly think we just didn't pause a split second and see that he has invested almost half of his stack.

Later in the thread you say he was a loose player as well but not as loose as us, would we call, check, raise 1/2 our stack with air. Sure we just did with our whole stack, but we have established he's not as loose as we are. I think you had all the reads on the hand you needed, I honestly think we are beat did he have QQ? Sorry if I'm way off, still very new but this is what I see.

Villian NEVER has QQ here imo .... 55 66 88 more likely
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I pull aggro moves like this too and often times we just think that it's a good spot for them to be aggro and dont give the passive player enough credit (maybe even taking his move personally)

i think that he does not raise us light on this flop 100%
imo he doesnt do that with a hand that we beat and fold if we shove.
he doesnt know that you are trying to steal/be agressive a lot and hence he isnt raising for metagame reasons.
he does not think: i have noticed this guy raises a lot and he doesnt have it on this kind of flop. so i can raise and get him out of the pot with my garbage hand here
but you think he thinks that and that is wrong. of course you cant be sure. but i wouldnt risk it on this shallow assumption.

Lol, i read that in the well, and was like, good point chh. Something that sticks out at me in this particular instance is the fact that you are assuming that the only way for this play to work is if villian has indeed been paying attention to my game. I think that this point by zedveron,

is absolutley right. I think my play will work a lot of times if my weird, complicated read is correct. But what if this guy is just bad? What if he just made the decision to play the hand preflop, and is just trying to win the pot oblivious to my assumptions? What if he is just playing aq or something, and is just trying to make me fold? I guess what i'm saying is, even if my read is wayyyyy off base, can't i still push off a lot of random crap hands here?


So many pronouns, such strong language. You clearly have strong convictions against this play.

He folded.