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07-11-2008 , 12:35 PM

eurythmech

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Villain is 10/8 over a small sample and has got a very good SS record.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t1275)
UTG (t795)
UTG+1 (t2680)
MP1 (t1425)
MP2 (t1660)
CO (t2545)
Button (t1390)
SB (t1730)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, J

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1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 2 folds, CO calls t50, Button raises to t250, SB folds, Hero ??

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07-11-2008 , 12:40 PM

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easy fold for me

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07-11-2008 , 12:42 PM

eurythmech

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Good. I'm not losing my mind then.
Don't really need to hear from others

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07-11-2008 , 12:45 PM

eurythmech

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Yes I know, I know, this thread sucks. But with all of this happening, I have to question myself.

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07-11-2008 , 12:49 PM

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for 10/8 guy that raise is maximum JJ+,AK, how good JJ plays against that?

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07-11-2008 , 01:02 PM

eurythmech

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Yeah, I know. That's what I thought at the time too. this shouldn't be a thread. Thanks.

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07-11-2008 , 01:13 PM

Little John

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Originally Posted by Q..

for 10/8 guy that raise is maximum JJ+,AK, how good JJ plays against that?

unknowns with small sample size (both ss and hands played) are capable of dumb stuff and wider ranges. i always kick myself if i give them too much credit and then they down worse than i think.

with that said, i am folding pretty quick here.

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07-11-2008 , 01:53 PM

rainbow57

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I think you have to fold here.

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07-11-2008 , 02:25 PM

jaydreb

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I agree with the fold against this particular opponent, although the sample size is small.

I'm probably shoving against an unknown.

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07-11-2008 , 06:31 PM

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Into2ndWind

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think about it, w/ stack sizes, shoving here is just awful

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07-11-2008 , 07:09 PM

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PhoboPhobia

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Originally Posted by Into2ndWind

think about it, w/ stack sizes, shoving here is just awful

Why is it awful? I understand vs. this villain it is awful, but against more aggro players why is a shove with these stacks in itself awful?

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07-11-2008 , 07:56 PM

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Jalman1

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fold this here........or shove if u think u have no long term edge in sngs and just wanna flip coins (hopefully)

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07-11-2008 , 08:30 PM

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mahi

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Originally Posted by PhoboPhobia

Why is it awful? I understand vs. this villain it is awful, but against more aggro players why is a shove with these stacks in itself awful?

You can sit down with a piece of papper and figure out what ranges he needs to be raising with and then calling/folding to a raise to make your shove worthwhile. Against most players you will see (and be called by) AQ+,99+ most of the time. You are not a big favorite against that range. I would almost rather call a shove since I have seen a lot of people that will push 66-QQ,AK in this place but who will raise with AA, KK. YMMV

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07-12-2008 , 07:56 PM

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jaydreb

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Originally Posted by mahi

Assuming that's a typical calling range, you're 50/50 against it.

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07-14-2008 , 11:27 PM

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chever

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i am never folding jj here. well thats not strictly true but i am certainly not folding it all the time like u guys.

Last edited by chever; 07-14-2008 at 11:40 PM.

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07-16-2008 , 05:11 AM

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eurythmech

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Originally Posted by chever

i am never folding jj here. well thats not strictly true but i am certainly not folding it all the time like u guys.

Player dependent.

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