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01-01-2016 , 12:39 AM

CoolWaTeR

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 205

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $25 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37205273

BTN: 2,960 (74 bb)
SB: 3,203 (80.1 bb)
Hero (BB): 2,875 (71.9 bb)
UTG+1: 2,405 (60.1 bb)
UTG+2: 2,955 (73.9 bb)
MP1: 2,955 (73.9 bb)
MP2: 3,030 (75.8 bb)
MP3: 3,000 (75 bb)
CO: 3,412 (85.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

7 folds, SB raises to 80, Hero raises to 360, SB calls 280

Flop: (720) 5

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 333, SB raises to 666, Hero calls 333

Turn: (2,052) 3

(2 players)
SB bets 340, Hero calls 340

River: (2,732) A

(2 players)
SB bets 1,837 and is all-in, Hero folds

Please give me thoughts on whole hand?

Calling check raise on Flop seems standard. Turn sizing is so small that I call. Would you fold if sizing was bigger BvB, readless?

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01-01-2016 , 01:20 AM

oldsilver

MTTLivePro

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,955

Call pre then fold to cbet (3bet/fold would be pretty gross if he 4!)
As played checkback flop or if you must bet go larger and no cute 333 type induce sizing because we don't want to induce with K high
After that idk because harder to know what the 666 means. Is he responding to perceived bluff or is he strong? Prob the latter but who knows)

Last edited by oldsilver; 01-01-2016 at 01:27 AM.

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01-01-2016 , 09:44 AM

AmpeFund

adept

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Last edited by AmpeFund; 01-01-2016 at 09:52 AM.

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01-01-2016 , 09:56 AM

AmpeFund

adept

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^misread presizings...

wp on hand imo. Ya, if he barreled, ~1/2 pot, folding turn

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01-01-2016 , 10:38 AM

Panny1

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,550

3-b-sizing seems way too big though being IP - I'd chose a smaller sizing, we're probably also planning to flat if he 4-b and this way we set up a smaller sizing.

Post is okish, c-betting with ocs and a bdfd is fine on that board, but I don't think we can only bluff flop and shut down on later streets with our Hand.

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01-01-2016 , 09:16 PM

onehandatatime

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,381

I just like flatting the pre flop raise here, no need to 3 bet here, still too early IMO and not accomplishing too much, if V 4 bets that kinda sucks and we'd have to call, not hating it, but with no reads and being this early 3 betting pre is not the like I would take.

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01-01-2016 , 10:30 PM

realsheesha

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,296

I think it's actually okay. A point can be made for flatting pf, but it depends on SB range. If he is raising light it's good to 3bet with this hand.

I don't think we're ever good on the river. It looks like a flush draw that got there.

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01-02-2016 , 08:33 AM

The Dominator

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 179

Re raise pre is fine. Sigh fold to the flop min raise.

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01-04-2016 , 01:32 PM

gregz41

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,609

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Originally Posted by oldsilver

Folding to cbet on this board would be incredibly nitty. Value of position on this texture is huge.

I don't mind so much on pre. It's a boarderline 3bet for value. Post flop looks OK I think, just annoying. However an important point to note is that when you face a raise, in this case the flop x/r, your goal is to realise as many hands as you can to reduce the profitability of his x/r bluffs. We have done that by reaching the river.

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01-05-2016 , 07:11 AM

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furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

I hate this approach readless but whatever works for you preflop. I would 3b 200-220 and cbet for sure/fold

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01-07-2016 , 04:16 PM

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kkMartini

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 167

Readless, I would choose smaller 3bet for sure.

I would've CBET ±410.
Turn and river seems fine, although his turn bet seems super fishy.

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01-08-2016 , 12:51 PM

#12

U5eless Bluff

adept

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 720

Without reads on SB, i would prefer to flat pre. 3betting the lower end of our BBvsSB range to defend and win the pot then and there with the added value of projecting an image of not being pushed around is good. However, our hand holds too much value and by 3betting in a vacuum, we essentially fold out all of the hands that are trying to steal and will cbet a flop that we have significant equity edge over. By flatting a hand of this strength, we can proceed pretty disguised on diamonds or broadway boards, and when it flops low it hits our perceived range which makes it harder for villains to continue light OOP.

As played c-bet/fold seems good.

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