Hi all,
first of all happy christmas and happy new year to everybody.

I want to tell you about this horrible hand wich I played in a MTT ($2 buy in on Pokerstars).
blinds 150/300 with Ante 25

UTG +1 : fold
UTG +2 (7800) : call 300
MID +1 : fold
MID +2 (19650) : call 300
Hi jack : fold
co : fold
btt (9630) : call 300
Hero (8765): KK raise 1650
BB : fold

UTG+2 : fold
MID+2 : call 1350
btt : fold

Pot was :4275

Flop : 69A

hero : bet 2250
UTG+2 : call

Turn : 2

hero : check
UTG+2 : check

river : 5
hero : check
UTG+2 : bet 2800
hero : tank and call 2800/11575

UTG+2 : show 95 and win 14375.

Ok that's poker, but I hate this kind of donk, hominoid that call you with the only purpose to crash my monster hands.

Are you agree?


best regards.

Bet turn.

pre more like 2250 or slightly more in this $2 donkament. one of the 3 guys call you always.

flop smaller, some like 1700
turn is ok
anyway i dont see any aces in his range. call river and hope he bluffs and show you some weak one pair hands which you beat

cheers

Thanks for your reply.

I don't want that all limpers give up pre-flop : I would at least one caller, because I want to maximize my wins.
I agree with you that Ace isn't a real scary card (but in this kind of tournament it could be) but if I bet on the turn oppo folds every hand I already beat.
In these cases I prefer to check on the turn to bluff inducing or eventually I want to convince him that he has the best hand and he can do a value bet on the river.
In the rare case he has an Ace, I can reduce my losses.

BEST REGARDS.

Pre is good
Flop depends on whether he is passive or aggro, if you bet, bet smaller
b/f turn
b/f river as played - once you check and he bets, probably fold since I doubt he clicks often enough with a 9

After three limpers the effective BB is 1,000 (there's now over 1,500) in the pot. Shove your entire range preflop here.

if villain has more than 30% donk flop, call flop, bet turn. If you have no info / first donk of him, call flop, fold river.

Even with KK?

A shove looks weaker than a small ball raise. Additionally, if someone has a hand like 66 they're probably calling both bets. In the small bet, he gets away from every flop he does not flop a set. In the shove, he's getting stacked every time he doesn't hit a set. And if they all fold, we increase our stack by 20%. That's not that horrible an outcome either.

Look at it this way. We will get called more often with the small bet, but the total wins over a 100 hands will most likely be smaller than the total wins of the larger bet getting called less often.
We might only need to get called 18% of the time if the small bet gets called 70% of the time before the small bet starts showing more profit.

+1

??
that will miss tons of value

Not in my experience.

You must consider my remaining stack : when I bet on the flop I've about 4900, in other words half of my stack is in the pot. I could bet smaller, about 1700, but my remaining stack is about 5400, nearest previous bet.

When oppo bets 2800 on the river he gives me 1:5 pot odds, so I think that fold is always the wrong action. Anyway if oppo bet strong on the river I should fold 90% of the cases.

So like, did you know before this hand how much of a passive donk this player is?

Against a player this bad he could easily have some A-rag hand that he's obv not folding now after hitting tp. The fact that he called your big pre raise with 95s, then your flop bet with mpnk shows that he doesn't like to fold, so saying that you check turn because he folds all hands you beat when you bet is not correct. But your turn check is okay fearing the ace/pot control.

I also think Your flop bet can be smaller as well on this relatively dry board.

As for the river, yeah your getting sick odds on a call but everything this player has done so far in this hand (and prob for many hands before it) shows him to be loose passive. So when he decides to bet out on the river I think you are better off folding because he likely has you beat and when you call and are wrong your stack is in a lot worse shape. Also, No one yet has mentioned that the 5 on the river just meant that 78 just got there with the OESD, which i suspect this villian would have also played passively like this.

I don't have any statistics about this player before this hand. Knowing that he is loose passive you are right and your thinking is more than reasonable.
In this doubting situation (calling station, tight passive???) I prefer to check turn because if oppo has i.e. 77,88,TT,9T,JJ or something like that he shold (must) fold on the turn. Anyway the only bet I can do on the turn is all-in.
Otherwise I can get more value on the river when oppo bets but he is drawing dead.
On the flop 55/60% is my typical c/bet, but I agree something smaller is better.
On the river, If I'm sure this oppo never bet having less then TP I should fold, but as played to bluff inducing I almost never fold river (expecially with 1:5 pot odds).

BEST REGARDS

This should be moved to BBV. No I don't agree and you got owned.

What is BBV and could you explain your point of view?