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KK vs min raise flop.. KK vs min raise flop..

09-16-2013 , 04:19 PM
no info 35 hand's


    On Game, $12.50 Buy-in (30/60 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19456761

    MP1: 5,195 (86.6 bb)
    MP2: 7,740 (129 bb)
    Hero (MP3): 7,417 (123.6 bb)
    CO: 9,945 (165.8 bb)
    BTN: 6,220 (103.7 bb)
    SB: 10,446 (174.1 bb)
    BB: 1,832 (30.5 bb)
    UTG+1: 13,445 (224.1 bb)
    UTG+2: 15,416 (256.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K K
    2 folds, MP1 raises to 300, MP2 calls 300, Hero raises to 810, 2 folds, SB calls 780, BB folds, MP1 calls 510, MP2 calls 510

    Flop: (3,300) 5 6 T (4 players)
    SB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets 1,401, 2 folds, MP2 raises to 3,000




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    hero???
    KK vs min raise flop.. Quote
    09-16-2013 , 04:29 PM
    Preflop I think you're begging them to call with such a small 3-bet (pot-size would be 1290). You're also dealing with a 5x raise and a 5x flat call. I'd probably make it at least 1500 to go here and shove any non-ace flop.

    As played, your opponent might have a set, or he might have AT and not be able to get away from top pair.

    It looks like a tough decision, but your flop lead looks weak, so I'd just shove over the top. If he has a set, that's what you get for letting him in cheap pre.
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    09-16-2013 , 04:38 PM
    I agree with Kurn son of Mogh , pre flop you should 3betting 1.2k at the least. On the flop villian may have a set or maybe top pair. I'll be shoving over the top on the flop.
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    09-16-2013 , 08:35 PM
    so ongame is the skin to be, isn´t it

    i make it 950 or so pre (1,5k is too much imo). ship now
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    09-16-2013 , 08:55 PM
    As everyone else said, 3b more pf. We're giving MP2 great odds to setmine, even if it folds back around to him. A pot-sized 3b would be fine, gii on any non-A flop.

    As played, SPR is too low to consider folding KK otf. MP2's range could include AT/JJ/78s, and there's at least some chance he'll do this as a bluff; he has to include AK in our range. There are 11 combos of sets/56s, which is not nearly enough to stop us from gii here.
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    09-16-2013 , 10:13 PM
    wtf... blinds are 30/60 and the guys 5x's it to 300 ?

    maybe mp2 has JJ or QQ... i guess he could play 10 10 this way

    id still rip it in
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    09-17-2013 , 04:58 AM
    GII
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    09-17-2013 , 06:21 PM
    After your c-bet, you have about a pot size stack in front of you. Not folding.

    Also make it more pre.
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    09-17-2013 , 08:35 PM
    agree with 1500 being too much pre, I would also make it 950, we dont want to scare off our action but we dont want to give v's good odds to crack us either... not folding over pair when we have 1:1 SPR, not like he just open folds JJ,QQ,Tx to our cbet.
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    09-18-2013 , 04:03 AM
    Are you looking at how deep it is? +100BB's is still enough for people to try and hit with random junk. I'm sorry to say that there is no way you can get any decent answer in this case. You have 4 players seeing the flop and they will have all kind of weird hands. T6s isn't a hand I would say can be cut from the range, small pockets are also in.

    To give a comment that hasn't been given your bet on the flop is a bit odd, what do you expect to happen from this bet? Which draws or worse pockets call you with that bet? Are you satisfied with the chips in the middle as it is and are simply looking at taking it down or do you have another plan going. You are putting a lot of your stack in the middle and I would seriously ask the question if you can get out of the hand as it is. You are more or less signaling that you are playing for your whole stack and you are pretty much asked by MP2 to get it in on a flop where there wont be many hands you have good odds against when they get it in. Without knowing anything about MP2 I say you are either facing a stronger hand or AT, JJ, QQ, 99 and maybe 88 should be in his range as I see it. The odd AK could also be there.
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    09-18-2013 , 11:12 AM
    Quote:
    To give a comment that hasn't been given your bet on the flop is a bit odd, what do you expect to happen from this bet? Which draws or worse pockets call you with that bet? Are you satisfied with the chips in the middle as it is and are simply looking at taking it down or do you have another plan going. You are putting a lot of your stack in the middle and I would seriously ask the question if you can get out of the hand as it is. You are more or less signaling that you are playing for your whole stack and you are pretty much asked by MP2 to get it in on a flop where there wont be many hands you have good odds against when they get it in.
    This is a whole heap of wrong. There's plenty of value to be had postflop; no opponent is ever folding Tx/QQ/JJ/78s. Checking back KK on this flop with this SPR against 3 opponents would be terribad.
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    09-18-2013 , 12:02 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mavaleeee
    no info 35 hand's
    also start by working on this^

    You're never going to know him inside out, but surely 35 hands is enough to have the beginnings of some sort of basic read by now, even if it's only that he's got a VP$IP of 0
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    09-18-2013 , 12:22 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TeamTrousers
    also start by working on this^

    You're never going to know him inside out, but surely 35 hands is enough to have the beginnings of some sort of basic read by now, even if it's only that he's got a VP$IP of 0
    this

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bigfish2012
    Are you looking at how deep it is? +100BB's is still enough for people to try and hit with random junk. I'm sorry to say that there is no way you can get any decent answer in this case. You have 4 players seeing the flop and they will have all kind of weird hands. T6s isn't a hand I would say can be cut from the range, small pockets are also in.

    To give a comment that hasn't been given your bet on the flop is a bit odd, what do you expect to happen from this bet? Which draws or worse pockets call you with that bet? Are you satisfied with the chips in the middle as it is and are simply looking at taking it down or do you have another plan going. You are putting a lot of your stack in the middle and I would seriously ask the question if you can get out of the hand as it is. You are more or less signaling that you are playing for your whole stack and you are pretty much asked by MP2 to get it in on a flop where there wont be many hands you have good odds against when they get it in. Without knowing anything about MP2 I say you are either facing a stronger hand or AT, JJ, QQ, 99 and maybe 88 should be in his range as I see it. The odd AK could also be there.
    I disagree with most of this
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    09-18-2013 , 07:54 PM
    Make it more pre but I don't think I could fold in this spot, can't really complain at this flop for our hand, a lot of top pair hands in his range and possibly JJ but not sure, depends what you know about the opponent. I think i'm just getting the money in here and if he has a set then he has a set, raising more pre could of avoided that situation but as played i would shove.
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    09-19-2013 , 12:18 AM
    As stated, bet more preflop. I'd probably raise it to 1000 to 1200 depending on villains stats. I feel like over $1000 you avoid other limpers and at least one of the two MP players will call. Bet at least half on the flop as well but yeah, looks like a shove to me on any non A board unless villain NEVER check raises. You may be beat here but that's why I raise more preflop to narrow their range
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    09-19-2013 , 12:35 AM
    I typically loose vs sets here - and feel good about it.
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    09-19-2013 , 03:00 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jay S
    This is a whole heap of wrong. There's plenty of value to be had postflop; no opponent is ever folding Tx/QQ/JJ/78s. Checking back KK on this flop with this SPR against 3 opponents would be terribad.
    OP bet 1400 into a pot that is 3300, there is no way a decent player isn't raising this. The only hand I can see calling here is TT or another set, maybe a str-draw. The odd bet sort of put him at the stage where he either get a fold for a nice pot or will find that the K's are put to the test as in this case.

    I just don't understand why this odd bet is being made in this hand. It is too small to really get everyone out of the hand and if someone like their hand or sense weakness they are raising. OP put himself in a tricky spot as he play it.
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    09-19-2013 , 11:02 AM
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    It is too small to really get everyone out of the hand and if someone like their hand or sense weakness they are raising.
    Good. That's exactly what you want them to do.
    Quote:
    OP put himself in a tricky spot as he play it.
    There is no such thing as a tricky spot with KK on a T65r flop with an SPR of 2. Gii and feel good about it.
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    09-19-2013 , 11:12 AM
    35hh...stat
    31/17 agg 3,7
    fold cbet 33(3hand's lol)
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    09-19-2013 , 12:19 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jay S
    Good. That's exactly what you want them to do.
    Politely disagree with this. You want to face one or two villains with KK, not 4 or 5
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    09-19-2013 , 06:07 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tightywhity
    Politely disagree with this. You want to face one or two villains with KK, not 4 or 5
    I think he was referring to the flop bet. pf I definitely agree w/ you.
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    09-19-2013 , 08:08 PM
    Ahh... I see
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    09-19-2013 , 08:52 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by fidstar-poker



    I disagree with most of this
    totally.......
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    09-19-2013 , 09:20 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mavaleeee
    35hh...stat
    31/17 agg 3,7
    fold cbet 33(3hand's lol)
    Whoops mistook the action originally.


    With those stats though, yea not folding. I mean he could very well have some sort of set, but I lean this to more so QT type hands and the like more so than a set, definitely see 99-JJ in his range as well. If he has a set meh.
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    09-24-2013 , 06:32 AM
    he's always calling doing this with QQ JJ A10 7's 8's sets those type of hands. Get it in.
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