Dont mean to double post, I posted this in BBV but get lame advice. Hopin this forum will be more helpful.

Full Tilt Poker The $200K Double Deuce No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t170/t340 Blinds + t25 - 9 players
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CO: t11562 M = 15.73
BTN: t24937 M = 33.93
SB: t20747 M = 28.23
Hero (BB): t15911 M = 21.65
UTG: t4450 M = 6.05
UTG+1: t16634 M = 22.63
UTG+2: t4981 M = 6.78
MP1: t3717 M = 5.06
MP2: t2194 M = 2.99

Pre Flop: (t735) Hero is BB with K K
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t965, 6 folds, Hero raises to t3740, UTG+1 calls t2775

Flop: (t7875) 8 4 Q (2 players)
Hero bets t3400, UTG+1 raises to t12869 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls t8746 all in

Turn: (t32167) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t32167) 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)

any way I can get away from that? Let me know! I know after flop he only shoves with AA or QQ there and either way I'm beat? Check fold flop is no option though? AQs? THOUGHTS! (He had AA)

anything? bump

Just a cooler spot...dont think i wouldve played it any different.

standard

I would bet flop and fold if he shoves. You can only beat AQ there. Most of the time they had AA or QQ as you said so easy fold.

He probably shoves with KK there too if he does it with AA (I wouldn't shove either one but to each his own). Anyway, I think the best you can hope for here is a split with his KK. AA obviously owns you, QQ outflopped you, and he's probably not stacking off UTG with AQ, and obviously not AK.

It is a cooler, but as played I'd have to fold that.

I dont think QQ shoves there

Why not ?

Probably to slowplay. Not everyone has the same style though.

+1

Not only to slowplay

Holding the nuts against one opponent with a max of two outs or some weird runner-runner combinations (yeah yeah, he could have 56,9T,JT for four outer, exactly the reraising hands range from the blinds after early position raise...lol)

If instead of KK you got JJ/TT/AK, you still bet this flop and shoving will make you fold. QQ flats here, any other play is sub-optimal (can't say -EV cuz it's hard to lose that hand with QQ)

yea flop is def a slowroll

Easy fold?

Yeah, this guy is folding Kings every spot like that?

Cmon.... i would be so happy to get it in with Kings, on flop like that.

22$ tournament, you cant expekt that villain have set or a AA here.....
Even OP had "super-reads" saying that he never shoves anything than QQ,AA here....

-jax

no way to get away from it, I'd expect that play from AQs much more often than AA.

2700 pre

call as played

On that flop, no way can you or should you ever get away from that.

If its any consolation, villain made a mistake flatting pre imo as youve prob got a hand your going with preflop but could fold otf (like AK) anyway.

+1

If you can't handle the reverse implied odds of KK, then fold Pre, just think of all the happy times we double with KK, and for what it's worth, I think you played the hand fine. If you consider all of the other combo's that don't beat us, this really is standard.

I get so happy when I get it in with KK


Saturday night, I was up 30,000 chips, later stages of a tourney, and bonked out with KK, I'm not even sad running into AA, cause I know that so many times I have played it and won huge.....I hope you won this hand, and this is a brag.

would you be happy getting it in pre here? i honestly don't think that flop changes all that much if you ask me.

also, why can't i see suits? regardless, grin/call/onyourbacks/sigh

Any reads or stats on villain? Unless I have a sick read I'm not getting away from this hand with that board. Most of the time you are ahead but sometimes you run into a cooler. That's poker!

didn't have any real reads on the UTG+1, i had just got to the table about 20 hands into it. He seemed solid, but how solid can you be in 20 hands? Looking back and sleepin on it, I think fold is the right move.

Blinds are 170/340 w/ 25, if I fold there with 8746 left, my M is still 16.35, effective M 14.71 so I can still recover.

Yes, I'm ahead of AQs and chopping with KK, but I think too many times he's pushing with QQ and AA there. I think at this point, QQ would shove, hoping that I've got exactly what I do have. I doubt the slow play. I put 7140 into this pot on the flop, he expects me to call the 8746, I fold and disappoint. Preflop, I gladly shove it here...but with the given information, I can fold a Q high flop here. Now, anything other than a Q high or A high flop, I can easy ship.

sh0ve... do you wanna play heads up for the rest of eternity???