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12-17-2012 , 11:31 PM

eliguazo

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i still not very sure about this spots, here i fold but i think that its a little complicated

Poker Stars, $4 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15040051

BB: 15,105 (75.5 bb)
UTG+1: 1,700 (8.5 bb)
UTG+2: 11,400 (57 bb)
MP1: 2,540 (12.7 bb)
MP2: 8,845 (44.2 bb)
Hero (MP3): 6,920 (34.6 bb)
CO: 2,810 (14.1 bb)
BTN: 3,100 (15.5 bb)
SB: 12,945 (64.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J

4 folds, Hero raises to 500, CO raises to 2,785 and is all-in, 4 folds

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12-18-2012 , 12:25 AM

tboneparte

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Reads? sigh fold readless

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12-18-2012 , 12:45 AM

Verile

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Fold

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12-18-2012 , 02:18 AM

roNAA

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folding is fine

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12-18-2012 , 09:00 AM

DjHitzz

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abc fold. I don't mind opening if it is folded to me and also the fact that CO/BTN are fairly tight.

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12-18-2012 , 12:25 PM

Elephants_pride

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Originally Posted by tboneparte

Reads? sigh fold readless

???
easiest shove pre

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12-18-2012 , 12:32 PM

tboneparte

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Originally Posted by Elephants_pride

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easiest shove pre

I'm confused. I doubt you're saying we should open jam... Are you saying we should snap this since co should be shoving a lot in this spot?

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12-18-2012 , 12:39 PM

Elephants_pride

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open jam yeah
look at that stacks on the blinds

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12-18-2012 , 12:42 PM

tboneparte

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we have 34bb, sb has 64.7, bb has 75.5. I think you are mistaken.

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12-18-2012 , 01:44 PM

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LetItBe777

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Open jam its very bad imo

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12-18-2012 , 09:22 PM

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Elephants_pride

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Originally Posted by tboneparte

we have 34bb, sb has 64.7, bb has 75.5. I think you are mistaken.

there must be a reason why CO is highlighted in HH and hero is not...

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12-18-2012 , 11:09 PM

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Jankis006

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If you are not snap calling here, then fold preflop.

2.2k into 3.8k pot ...

Last edited by Jankis006; 12-18-2012 at 11:10 PM. Reason: maths

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12-19-2012 , 12:12 AM

#13

samkarmaguy

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Depends on reads on CO.

Normally if I was looking at this readless I would say fold. But I would also say you should open to 400 or 425 instead of 500.

But if CO's range is wide it could be an easy call.

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12-19-2012 , 03:46 AM

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roNAA

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Originally Posted by Jankis006

If you are not snap calling here, then fold preflop.

2.2k into 3.8k pot ...

sure but sometimes poker is not 100% about maths, we are not getting 2-1 and we are putting in over 1/3 of our stack in a situation where likely V has us dominated, also we have no reads. I like to generally stay away from these kinds of marginal spots.

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12-19-2012 , 11:14 AM

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rookie1609x

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Yah r/f all day you're not ahead all that often unless villain has been 3bet shoving like a mofo. Stats please

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12-19-2012 , 11:58 PM

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ReneLaQuinte

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Imo this is a standard open shove here.

Are you sure you want to invest 2 bb and sometimes having to give up on the flop if the board is not good to cbet ? Or to be obliged to give up on the turn a pot that will be equivalent to your stack ? Here we have simply not stack depth to give up post-flop.

When we shove it gives the opportunity to make call with weaker hands (even if our main objective is to collect the blinds), and removes tough decisions pre-flop and post-flop.

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12-20-2012 , 01:10 AM

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Dragons_Egg

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^ so not right (sorry). We're the player with 35 BB's, not 14 BB's.

Readless this is r/f.

Also, your not upset if either blind calls you and you have to play post-flop (IP!). If you are always shoving or folding because you don't want to play post flop you won't be playing optimally and will struggle to improve as a player.

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12-20-2012 , 02:16 AM

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V-Delaney

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Not sure wtf is going on in here. Standard r/f readless. Open folding and open jamming are both horrendous

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12-20-2012 , 06:57 AM

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HUHandEH

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I think it's close, and agree it's a r/f spot, CO should know this as well, which might make his range of hands that he shoves wider.

I'd go with reads on calling it off, it's on the edge.

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12-20-2012 , 12:03 PM

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juni0r83

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I think the key here is we're talking about a 3bet shove, not an open jam from the CO. If the villain a Ted before you and open shoved from late middle to late position, then yeah, maybe, he's got a stop and go stack right now. But you opened, so he doesn't have first in vigorish here, so you've got to give him credit. Fold is fine.

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