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10-07-2008 , 07:47 PM
90 people $2.25 buy in turnament.
45 people left Blinds are 80/160

Hero: 2nd largest at the table 10.170 chips .(largest 12.700) , most of the players 2-4K.

Hero: KQ MID position just limped in, rest of the table limped in as well
pot slightly over 1k, BB bets pot(slightly over 1K)
All "early guys " folded ,
Hero called (I do not know that player just got transfered to that table a seconds earlier , but according to "SHARK SCOPE" he is loosing player),
All folded, guy with 2.5K called in late position (fish boll-"shark scope"), rest of the guys folded.

POT 4.5K

FLOP:567 .

BB PUSHED ALL IN slightly over 11K POT 16K

Hero: CALLED with his 9K pot 25K

"fish boll" folded

BB floped JJ VS Heros KQ


Turn:A, River:2

BOARD:567 , A, 2


BB took 25K pot

Hero is out of turnament.

I think I did a big mistake of calling that ALL IN ON FLOP
What do you think guys?

Last edited by ROTANIMRET; 10-07-2008 at 08:00 PM.
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10-07-2008 , 08:03 PM
raise preflop, fold to flop bet.
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10-07-2008 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzz66
raise preflop, fold to flop bet.
I guess... But why would I raise with KQ in MID position when there is 5 people behind me???
I thought that limping in would be a better choise?
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10-07-2008 , 10:39 PM
open limping from MP is just terrible, the fact your 2nd in chips makes it worst.

flop call might be o.k., im a little confused as your HH IS HARD TO READ

Last edited by fuzz66; 10-07-2008 at 10:45 PM.
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10-07-2008 , 10:50 PM
Either raise this preflop or fold it, DO NOT LIMP THIS.

Fold to the preflop raise.

Fold to the flop shove. You have a big stack with 45 left, no reason to call this.
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10-07-2008 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzz66
open limping from MP is just terrible, the fact your 2nd in chips makes it worst.

flop call might be o.k., im a little confused as your HH IS HARD TO READ
Sorry about the Hand History set up, this is my first post here..
So why do you think I should raise preflop KQ in Mid position ? (REASONS) and how much?(REASONS)
Thank you in advance.
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10-07-2008 , 11:56 PM
I think that I probably should not call the preflop raise, but the reason that pushed me to call is that I thought that I have a position on that guy and 2-1 pot ods and if I hit my 2pair or straight I could of double up trough this guy and become a turnament chip leader... But I really thought that my cards are not good to Raise preflop in that position...
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10-08-2008 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by IamINJURY
Either raise this preflop or fold it, DO NOT LIMP THIS.

Fold to the preflop raise.

Fold to the flop shove. You have a big stack with 45 left, no reason to call this.


I think you are right I should not call all in post flop... I was in a grate shape compare to the most of the people (I think I was on the 4th place (chips) out of 45 people left), and I should not risk my Turnament life... But it was so tempting....
But lets say instead of KQ I would have AK and A would be a club??? Should I call post flop ALL IN??? WHY ,YES OR NOT?

Last edited by ROTANIMRET; 10-08-2008 at 12:14 AM.
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10-08-2008 , 12:10 AM
Fold pre if you do not think your cards are good enough to raise, its ok.

Also If you don't think your cards are good enough to raise with then why call a 6BB raise?
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10-08-2008 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by IamINJURY
Fold pre if you do not think your cards are good enough to raise, its ok.

Also If you don't think your cards are good enough to raise with then why call a 6BB raise?
That is a good question.... The biggest mistake was to call that guys raise , BUT
he was sitting on the BB and everyone limped in and I thought that he is trying to just steal the pot (pot size bet...) and it's also why I called him...
If he could of been IN MID or UG,UG1,UG2,UG3 position I would not call bet that big...
But I totally agree.. I did a bad call preflop as well..
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10-08-2008 , 12:27 AM
In a $2 tourney very few people will make a squeeze play like this. The raise makes it look more like hes trying to iso the limpers.
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10-08-2008 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by IamINJURY
In a $2 tourney very few people will make a squeeze play like this. The raise makes it look more like hes trying to iso the limpers.
ISO -??? Sorry Im new here..
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10-08-2008 , 12:34 AM
by that I mean he has a good/great hand and does not want to see a flop with more than 1-2 people involved.
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10-08-2008 , 12:38 AM
Let me ask you this. If some how I would know (on the flop before I called)that he has poket pair such as JJ or lower, would it be ok for me to call ALL IN with 2 overcards and flush draw??? If Im not mistaken I had 13 outs...
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10-08-2008 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by IamINJURY
by that I mean he has a good/great hand and does not want to see a flop with more than 1-2 people involved.
I actually realized that.. the worst card that he could of posbly hold in this situation that he could of push all in would be AKx (in wich case Im drawing dead to my flush)other than that I was 99% sure he is holding poket pair...
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10-08-2008 , 01:25 AM
Raise pre, then fold to BBs 3-bet.

As played, I think flatting the preflop raise is acceptable, but I'm sorry to say you gotta fold the flop in fear of the A.

As it turned out you were a favourite, so better luck next time.
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10-08-2008 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by p3rc4
Raise pre, then fold to BBs 3-bet.

As played, I think flatting the preflop raise is acceptable, but I'm sorry to say you gotta fold the flop in fear of the A.

As it turned out you were a favourite, so better luck next time.

But do you really think he would push all in if he had AAx
Why would he, , he has nut flush draw, fear os straight? I doubt it.... (this is what i thought before I called the guy - would I push ALL in if I had an A??? NO! Why would I push and scare the"client" away?
But again there is always a possibility that guy is Holding AK and will not fold it no meter what(I have seen that on $2.25 tourneys..)
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10-08-2008 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ROTANIMRET
But do you really think he would push all in if he had AAx
Why would he, , he has nut flush draw, fear os straight? I doubt it.... (this is what i thought before I called the guy - would I push ALL in if I had an A??? NO! Why would I push and scare the"client" away?
But again there is always a possibility that guy is Holding AK and will not fold it no meter what(I have seen that on $2.25 tourneys..)
The AI with flush draw is a low buy-in tournament classic - given the way the hand played out, I would very much be expecting the villain to turn over A, whether with another A, K or Q. You were very lucky to have so many outs - by far the best you could have expected. This is an easy fold post-flop, since you might be drawing essentially dead (vs AAx) or to 3 outs vs big A. The fact that you have a big stack in a pot vs the only other big stack makes the fold automatic. The pre-flop was brutal, as already explained - either raise or fold - I would have just folded there.
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10-08-2008 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SonofDjugashvili
The AI with flush draw is a low buy-in tournament classic - given the way the hand played out, I would very much be expecting the villain to turn over A, whether with another A, K or Q. You were very lucky to have so many outs - by far the best you could have expected. This is an easy fold post-flop, since you might be drawing essentially dead (vs AAx) or to 3 outs vs big A. The fact that you have a big stack in a pot vs the only other big stack makes the fold automatic. The pre-flop was brutal, as already explained - either raise or fold - I would have just folded there.
I Agree with you ,I should not put my "tournament life" in danger with drawing hand...
But what If I had AKx??? and rose 3BB then called RR of 3bb (total 6BB) and FLOP would come 567 . Would it be correct to call his all in??? But again I understand that I put my self in a danger of elimination...
But i think I learned to my self that I should avoid confrontation with "big stacks" unless I believe I'm holding the nuts or close to it..

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