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10-06-2008 , 09:25 PM

ny679

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Ok just a quick question... Playin in a tourney last week, 12 players left, blinds are at 600/1,200 and I'm not looking too healthy with just over 10k. I'm on the big blind and the short stack moves all-in for 5,100 total. I'm holding QJh. Not a bad hand against a short stack, but since it would cost me half my stack to call, the maths means I'd need a 57% chance right? And if I'm up against a weak ace (which I thought) I'm something more like 42%.... so mathematically it was right to fold, but that stage of a tourney, with 10 BB left, do you call half your stack or lay it down?

BTW I found out the other guy was holding K 10, so I was in the right area.

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10-06-2008 , 11:39 PM

p3rc4

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Fold, you don't have the odds.

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10-06-2008 , 11:41 PM

sopoRific

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What position was the small stack in? Was he loose or tight?

Assuming no antes, it looks like a call would risk 3,900 chips to win 6,900, or 1.77:1. In order to be +cEV, you would need at least 1/(1+1.77) = 36.1% equity. Depending on where the raiser was and his image, either calling or folding could be right. I'd probably end up folding against any EP raise or a raise from someone who I thought was a real nit. I'd probably call an EP raise, especially if I've seen him raise in similar situations.

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10-07-2008 , 10:18 AM

ny679

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We were 5 handed at this point and for short stacks it was becoming a shove game. He was 1 off the button and it was folded to him, I couldn't put him on a big hand, but if he's got an Ace my odds aren't there, if i could put him on a small pair I probably would've made the call.

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10-07-2008 , 10:23 AM

SonofDjugashvili

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Originally Posted by ny679

Check your math. You are better than 40% against Ax (where x < J) and you only need 36% to call. Unless you know the raiser to be uber-tight, this is a call. As you say yourself, the SS are shoving, so he could have a hand you beat, dominate or flip against. Unless the money jump is significant, and there is someone else shorter than you (beside the raiser), I think you need to call.

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10-07-2008 , 10:23 AM

areaman

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<--- calling

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10-07-2008 , 10:30 AM

widowmakerrr

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Does gigbets block theory apply here? That the chips we gain are not as valuable as those we lose. If we win we´re still chipleader and the fear of other stacks getting knocked out doesnt change. But if we lose, people could push looser into us as they now can cripple us/take us out ?

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10-07-2008 , 10:38 AM

SonofDjugashvili

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Originally Posted by widowmakerrr

Who is cheapleader? We have ~8BBs and the shover ~4. To quote Areaman:

<----- Calling

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